Hi Steve, thanks for the technical details, much appreciated. On Mittwoch, 23. Juli 2014, Steve Langasek wrote: > There was nothing in Julian's message which was a rant, so I don't think > this response is called for. Well, the subject (and also the body) conveyed the wrong message, that systemd is mandatory in Debian now. Which - as you also said - is wrong, at least for two reasons: a.) it's logind, not systemd and b.) only desktops are affected. And, even though the rest of Julians message was as you described, it attracted two quite flamatory replies at first... > He *was* doing something about a systemd > integration problem that was a blocker for him - he was asking for help. > > If we have to go through this same sequence of messages every time someone > asks on debian-devel for help with a systemd issue, it's going to be a long > release cycle. I totally agree with these parts - and while I do think this thread startly badly I also think it has become a much nicer one by now. Hopefully this is more like how systemd threads will be in future too ;) cheers, Holger
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