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Re: Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> writes:

> In my case: because I want to be able to read them conveniently at a
> glance, without requiring the presence of a functioning specialized tool
> for doing so. As the UNIX Philosophy puts it, "text streams ... [are] a
> universal interface".

All the folks who are upset about the journal are aware, I hope, that, as
configured in the current systemd packages in Debian at least (I haven't
tried a generic upstream install), all journal messages are forwarded
directly to syslog, right?  All the text files that you are looking for
still exist in the same form they always have.

The journal serves as a mechanism for routing some things into syslog that
wouldn't otherwise go there (such as stderr output from daemons) and as a
data store for some nice but entirely optional systemd debugging features,
such as "show me all the output logged from this particular daemon but not
any of the others."  It doesn't replace syslog.

I am in wholehearted agreement with the people who want all their log
messages to go into syslog so that they can be processed, routed, and so
forth just as they are today.  I, and I suspect many others who like
systemd, would be quite unhappy if that didn't happen.

Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org)               <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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