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Re: Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

On 02/10/2014 08:27 PM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote:
> sysvinit has hit its limit with it's dependency-based nature, and the
> only way to fix many outstanding bugs is by switching to an event-based
> system.

No, event-based is not the proper design to model the dependencies
between services which has been become clear by several fundamental
bugs in Upstart which will certainly never be addressed like the
following one:

> https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/447654/comments/8

And this comes from the person who wrote Upstart. Mind, this
bug is open since 2009.

Another issue is the one mentioned in the QA session at the end
of Steve's talk where "mountall" is discussed:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUOAUQJ-y00#t=2413

"mountall" (according to Scott) was supposed to be a temporary
solution until Upstart could properly handle the mounting itself,
yet anything hasn't changed in this regard.

> Or perhaps in
> hindsight it might just turn out that Upstart was a better, more
> logical, sane, level-headed, secure, unixy and unpoetered solution and
> the technical committee will ask themselves "what were we thinking!?".

Unless the fundamental problems with Upstart are resolved, I don't
think this is ever going to happen.

> Historically though, it seems like it has consistently been beneficial
> for Debian to support all the available options and let things evolve.
> Maybe it's just better accepting the choice and move on even if you
> don't like the choice.

Do we allow users to choose their FireWire stack, WiFi or Audio Driver
stack in the kernel? There were several alternative implementations
of these, yet we only provide one of each.


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