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Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce



On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 08:37:02AM +0000, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> Olav Vitters <olav <at> vitters.nl> writes:
> 
> > Most of systemd is not in pid1. This was explained by a blog references
> 
> But (by the time of the jessie freeze, at least) it will need systemd to
> be pid1 to work. Same thing, really, just picking words.

No, not at all. If you say that everything is in PID1, this implicates
that there is a big potential for bugs. Bugs in PID1 is bad, you don't
want an unreliable init system. Aside from that, having so much code in
PID1 means the memory footprint is pretty big, likely security issues to
be big as well.

If someone suggests that whole of systemd is in PID1, I assume that
*that* is the problem. Not anything else.

What is meant instead is that systemd provides loads of "building
blocks". This is in pretty much any systemd talk that Lennart has given
(except initially). That this is meant is not obvious to me, nor do I
understand it.

The PID 1 argument has lead to explanations such as:
http://people.debian.org/~stapelberg/docs/systemd-dependencies.html

A whole list just to explain that things are *not* in PID 1. This was
based on feedback regarding everything being in PID1.

Everything in PID1 I can discuss, because it is not true. But the
"building blocks" is something entirely different.

-- 
Regards,
Olav


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