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Re: On init in Debian

On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 12:11 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> ]] Svante Signell 

> > And how do you expect non-experts be able to solve problems when they
> > pop up. Buying consultant services from the experts?
> I don't expect non-experts to be able to solve problems with init
> scripts any more or less than I expect them to be able to solve problems
> with systemd units, so I fail to see why this question is relevant.

As mentioned before set -x can be used and somebody knowledgeable about
the output can help the person having problems. This is just an example
of possible debugging for a non-expert.
Can you explain what features are so much better with systemd/upstart
(event-based) compared to sysvinit? If you are interested in faster boot
times, then coreboot would help much compared to commercial BIOSes,
regardless of the init system.

Regarding who is expert or not, can the people who considers themselves
as such (others shouldn't bother) do a _scientific_ comparison of the
three alternatives with respect to important features. First step would
be to write down which aspects are important, and continue from there.
Also, practical experiments are needed to verify statements made.

To repeat, we are talking Debian now, no other distribution :-(

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