Re: Why is help so hard to find?
Mike Bird dijo [Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 10:51:43AM -0800]:
> > KDE4 is crap, world+dog know that. Use GNOME, XFCE or whatever. If you
> > want KDE3 in Debian, then put your money where your mouth is and
> > come maintain it.
>
> That is well known. KDE 4 maintainers cannot keep up with
> the bug reports now and will be totally overwhelmed when
> Squeeze is released. That is not what people expect of
> Debian Stable.
>
> The problem is that KDE 4 has moved to take over the package
> namespace used by KDE 3.5. This is totally unnecessary.
> KDE 4 - the new package suite - can and should use new
> non-conflicting package names.
> (...)
Thing is, the KDE project evolved (for better or worse - I don't know,
as I don't use either) from v3 to v4. Yes, many people disliked the
change, and started off Trinity. However, the package namespace still
belongs to KDE - As Trinity is a fork, and it is Trinity users who
have to specify "I don't want to use official upstream KDE anymore".
And yes, it is surely a PITA for you and for others who prefer
sticking with the KDE3 way - I guess it is a matter of personal
preference... But given that nobody has stepped up to package Trinity
for Debian, I can only assume KDE4 is good enough for them. Who are
neither few nor lazy nor incompetent - I know the KDE team is made of
committed, professional people. If they feel KDE4 is stable and usable
enough, then KDE4 is what stays for Debian.
Of course, you and everybody else are welcome to disagree. And had you
disagreed some months earlier (given the decision is not by far new),
I am sure nobody would have opposed your ITPs to introduce Trinity to
Debian. And having two migration paths for Lenny's KDE3, there would
have been a real possibility for the KDE team to coordinate with the
Trinity team and offer the pertinent information and way forward for
users.
Of course, that is purely speculative. Right now, we _know_ how
Squeeze will look like. And it is _impossible_ for it to include
Trinity, or to have all KDE packages renamed to somehtingelse.
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