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Re: New source package formats now available

* Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de> [2009-11-23 09:48:36 CET]:
> Why do you think that? I can split patches any which way and edit the
> debian/patches/series to match all completly without quilt.

 How so? I don't find anything in man dpkg or dpkg-source that would
help with that.

> It only becomes simpler with quilt and you would always have it
> installed. A 3.0 (native) + quilt package would force people to use
> quilt and result in build failures for anyone missing the fact you use
> quilt manually instead of 3.0 (quilt) format. There really is no
> advantage in that.

 ?! What build failures? Can you please elaborate on why would you see
build failures down that path, anywhere?! There's the advantage in it
that people actually *do* have quilt installed to work properly with the
(implied) quilt patches instead of maybe having it not around and still
are expected to work on the patches.

> >  It is causing troubles for people that are familiar with quilt and
> > think they will be able to work with quilt with the source package when
> > they dpkg-source -x it - which unfortunately isn't the case. Only when
> > quilt is installed, but then, this is getting different results
> > depending on the environment one has, and I thought this was always one
> > of the big NO-GOs in Debian that we should avoid - and here we have it
> > even intentional? Sorry that this doesn't make me (and from what I can
> > see others too) happy  :/
> And as a quilt using person you often have quilt not installed?

 This isn't about me or you but about NMUing people or others you want
to have working on the package. And the question is trying to distract
from the issue and not answering the question, sorry.

> Worst case you unpack the source again after installing quilt. So far
> this only happened to me once. Since then I have quilt installed per
> default in new chroots ment for compiling.

 Worst case you don't know about it because it is said to not require a
README.Source anymore and is nowhere really hinted that it will give you
different results.

> >  About "you just have to install quilt" - *before* you unpack the
> > source. If you install it afterwards, you have lost.
> So you do want a dpkg-source --quiltify-source to fix this post
> unpacking instead of manually unpacking the source again?

 I would expect a dpkg-source -x to always result in the same thing, no
matter wether quilt is installed or not. And when the format claims to
be (quilt) I expect it to be quilt-ready *by default*. Implementing just
a subset but calling that subset with the same name is just confusing. :/

 So long. :)

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