Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 02:48:36PM +0200, Michal Čihař wrote:
> > * The Debian lists are the only lists I have ever come across that mandate, or
> > even care, about such a thing. I have been on many lists in my time, and my
> > current list of mailing list subscriptions stands at 73. On every single
> > other list, this isn't a problem, and things just work.
>
> Definitely not the only one which mandates this.
I was careful to specify that in my experience, it was the only one I have come
across to mandate this. I am sure that there are other lists with a similar
policy. My point was that it is uncommon, and hence something I actually have to
remember. In a way, it gets in the way of me sending email because it's trying
to enforce a technical change via social means, which seems doomed to failure.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 07:51:01AM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> I don't mean to continue the argument, but I see that you are using
> Mutt. If that is the case, I am certain that it would not take you too
> much effort to use list-reply (`L', by default). I ask you to do this
> not because you don't follow list protocol, but you make it difficult
> for others as to follow it; for example, by default, when I chose to
> reply, this mail went to the list and was CC'ed to Holger, because of
> the strange way the headers came from your mail!
Yes, I know the L command, but thanks for pointing it out! My argument is that I
have to remember to use when I am replying to the Debian lists, which as you can
see, doesn't happen very often.
In my last email, I made a subtle reference to the following book:
"The book's premise is that a good program or web site should let users
accomplish their intended tasks as easily and directly as possible. Krug points
out that people are good at satisficing, or taking the first available solution
to their problem, so design should take advantage of this."
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_Make_Me_Think
If we find something that works, we stick to it. Once we find something that
works—no matter how badly—we tend not to look for a better way. We’ll use a
better way if we stumble across one, but we seldom look for one.
- http://www.sensible.com/chapter.html
Anyway, this is my way of saying that a thousand previous mailing list responses
have taught me to send group replies. Right or wrong, it doesn't matter. The
Debian lists try to force me into thinking about the type of reply I should
send, and inevitably fails more often than not.
It doesn't fail because I'm stupid. I understand the theory behind it, and will
apologise when people politely remind me. Instead, it fails because I'm human,
lazy, and error prone. And it seems I'm not the only one.
Best,
--
Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater
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