Therefore, I still feel that, despite it being a big mess, the current
situation is the best:
* the default menu contains only what is needed, and we are still
hunting down entries that are useless to make them not show up
by default;
* users wanting the Debian menu and its gazillions of entries
including window managers, terminal emulators and shell
interpreters can enable it easily in the menu editor;
As being a simple user I like having both.
Regards,
Tilo