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Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 11:37:33AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 26 juillet 2007 à 10:54 +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> > One thing I do not like about the GNOME usability philosophy is
> > precisely this: catering for the novice user is great, but the GNOME
> > usability philosophy caters for novice users *at the expense of
> > experienced users*. 

> This widespread belief is entirely untrue.

It is true, and your posts in this thread are the evidence of it.

So far, the only proposal I've seen for allowing users to get access to the
"non-default" menu entries, after they've been hidden in GNOME, is by
letting them hunt down a config option in a settings menu /which is nowhere
near the menu itself/.  That's a bad UI; it might be ok for novices, but
it's not ok for non-novices *or for novices who aren't looking to be novices
for all eternity*.  Making "advanced" configuration options available only
to those who already know where to look ensures that there will always be a
large gap between the knowledgeable elite, and the uninformed consumers.

> I have no business into changing other environments' menus.

If you're going to be making unilateral decisions about classes of graphical
applications that shouldn't be shown in the menu because they don't fit with
your ideal of what a desktop menu should look like, I don't think you have
any business changing GNOME's menu either.

Identifying, as a project, classes of applications that aren't appropriate
for inclusion in the menu of a desktop environment at all, and excluding
those, is perfectly reasonable; but you appear to insist on referring to the
classes identified so far, such as console apps and language interpreters,
as *examples* of things you would trim from the GNOME menu, reserving for
yourself the right to make the final decisions about what else you'll decide
to cut.  As a user of GNOME in Debian, I'm not at all ok with that.

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
vorlon@debian.org                                   http://www.debian.org/

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