Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:56:21AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> This sort of vague anecdotal "evidence" has been repeated over and over.
> It may be true, but as far as I know, nobody has yet to come forth with
> reporting specific problems in Debian, only "x worked out of the box in
> ubuntu but not in Debian."
OK, I have a brand-spanking new IBM/Lenovo T60p laptop with nice, fast
SATA Drives, Intel Dual Core CPU's; 1600x1200 display --- sexy
machine. Debian stable doesn't run on it. Ubuntu 6.06 LTS installed
out of the box on it. So the laptop that I run when I give
presentations at conferences says Ubuntu Breeze when I fire it up, and
My brand-spanking new home file server with a a real hardware RAID
controller (Areca) and 16 hot-swap SATA drives (6 of them currently
populated with 500 GB SATA II drives), with two dual-core Xeon chips
is running Ubuntu Breezy 6.06 LTS, because Ubuntu supported it out of
the box. Debian stable doesn't even have a chance of supporting this
box. I'm not sure if Debian etch will support it, since the Areca
RAID card is an out-of-tree (although GPL) device driver, but that's
largely irrelevant, since I'm not going to run Debian unstable on a
production file server!
How many more concrete example would you like?
P.S. So at the moment, I'm doing my debian development work using
some crash-and-burn machines at home, and using some debian chroots
created using debootstrap. It would be nice if I could help doing
more dogfood testing on etch, and finding and submitting bug reports
before etch shipped --- but life is short, and Ubuntu worked out of
the box on my laptop, and it would have really difficult to figure out
how to get Debian installed onto a laptop SATA drive. (And when I say
work, I mean including making use of a built-in wireless on a PCI
express bus that requires a driver that uses restricted firmware and a
binary-only userspace daemon. So if people want to be pure, that's
fine, but I'm not going give up using wireless just for ideological
purity; I just won't be using a Debian supplied kernel, and once
again, Ubuntu works out of the box. Oh well....)