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Re: cdrtools

Le mercredi 09 août 2006 à 15:44 +0200, Joerg Schilling a écrit :
> You are again trying to intentionally tell us untrue things about my software!
> The Debian project accepted the clauses in cdrecord ~ 4 years ago.

That doesn't mean the project still considers them acceptable *NOW*.

> And note: the CDDL is one of 9 preferred licenses:
> http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:11636:200607:nknhhdligldemhkfbhpd

One of the preferred licenses *by the OSI*. Debian has nothing to do
with the OSI and doesn't not rely on the OSI to be told what is free or
not. Can't you even understand something that simple?

> It has no problem with any of the DFSG requirements.

Many people have expressed complaints about the choice-of-venue clause
and think it is not acceptable for Debian. I am not one of them and I
believe the CDDL to be free, but I would surely not claim there is
consensus around that in the project. I repeat: currently no CDDL
project has been accepted yet.

> If you claim different things, you are obviously speading FUD and not 
> a serious discussion partner - sorry.

Why is anyone disagreeing with you necessarily "spreading FUD", "lying",
"trying to hurt your reputation", or anything like this? Bear with it:
most people disagree with you. I do not know a SINGLE Debian developer
who believes your license combination to be distributable. Does that
make only hundreds of trolls who are just trying to spread FUD against

Stop the paranoia. People disagree with you, and you have to accept
that. They are not disagreeing with you just to hurt you *personally*.
This is why you should listen to these criticisms instead of throwing
them away by calling them FUD. No one is going to listen to you if you
are still unable to listen to anyone.

> If you are so braindead not to understand that this license combination
> is perfectly OK, I cannot help you. It seems that I did waste already too much
> time with you. A discussion only makes sense in case that the "other side"
> is able/willing to understand simple explanataions...

Your "simple explanations" are wrong. I'm not going to re-explain what
Wouter explained better than I would. If you cannot understand that the
CDDL is incompatible with the GPL, you should stop talking about
licenses and only keep coding, a task for which you seem to have more

> > People from Debian are interested in building a free distribution, not
> > in trolling with software authors crying out loud because they aren't
> > able to understand how licenses work. We decide what's acceptable for
> > our project, and you don't have a single word to say about that.
> If this was true, why don't you talk with me with in a serious way but troll 
> instead?

I have yet to be shown how it is possible to discuss with you in a
serious way.
> > Indeed, you are not free to add whatever piece of crap to the Debian
> > archive regardless of the license. Call it a non-free project if you
> > want, but this would only look like a calumniation campaign against us.
> If you continue to spread this kind of personal insults, _you_ are a person 
> that I don't like to talk with anymore in future.

Where is there a personal insult in this paragraph?

> I am sorry, but I cannot waste my time with trolls like you.

You are the one bringing this discussion on the Debian development
mailing list. You are wasting the time of people reading this list.

> I am however still in hope that the Debian project is not full of trolls
> but that there are reasonable people in Debian....

If "reasonable" means "who agree with you", I have yet to see them.
 .''`.           Josselin Mouette        /\./\
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