Re: removal of svenl from the project
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 00:59 +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 02:45:42PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:20:20PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> > > also sprach Gustavo Franco <gustavorfranco@gmail.com> [2006.03.15.1512 +0100]:
> > [...]
> > > >
> > > > I'm asking myself what's behind all that ? Ubuntu ? Probably no.
> > > > Subconcious fear to delivery in time ? Probably yes. Stop thinking
> > > > about who you're going to ask to be expelled next and spend some
> > > > time considering not my words, but just Etch.
> > >
> > > Thank you!
> > >
> >
> > If I didn't care about etch, I could just as easily sit back and let Sven
> > do his thing (as I have been doing for the past few months); however, I
>
> Are you implying that it was because of me that you have taken a backseat
> recently ? I remember somethign else, about you being frustrated with DAM and
No, I am implying that I have no desire to resume working with the team
with you on it, now that the security details are being worked out.
> the security team, and deciding to work more with the ubuntu guys at that
> time. I was really sad to see this happen, as your input was very valuable to
> the debian kernel team, and i told you so back then.
I fail to see how ubuntu factors into this conversation at all. Check
the changelogs; I haven't contributed anything to an ubuntu kernel since
last May or so. I was evaluating my options wrt to what distribution to
run on servers (since at the time I did not feel comfortable running a
sarge kernel on them), and ubuntu is one of them.
>
> > would like to see the release happen. Given the time and resources that
> > Sven's arguments consume, I am convinced that expelling him will make things
> > run a lot smoother.
>
> maybe, but then you forget all the work i did to get 2.6.14 out, and i do
> currently not believe that we would have achieved that much if i had not
> strongly worked for it. I had to endure flames and insults from maks, manoj
> and jonas over the ramdisk-generator issue, an issue all where talking about
> since weeks and months, but nobody decided to act. Notice that already then
> there was a rather odious flamewar, and it is instead disgusting to have to go
> through such to get people to not dismiss you out of the hand because it is
> not like they have been doing since since forever.
I still think the whole ramdisk generator thing is silly, but that's not
really on-topic, and we've had this discussion before. I wasn't
involved in the flamewar, and I don't care to be; I suspect your posts
made up a large portion of the thread, however (just like in this
thread).
>
> As a result, we solved the ramdisk generator dilemna to everybody's
> satisfaction, we managed to do same-day releases, which nobody thought
> possible, and was never heard off in debian (who was known for largely
> out-dated kernels, and needing a whole month to upgrade the d-i kernel).
>
> > For starters, I/we need to figure out a sane way to deal w/ 3rd party kernel
> > modules. I'm not sure the status of this, since Sven was adamant about this
> > happening his way; I'm not even willing to even touch the issue while he's
>
> I notice though that back then my way, was also the way you advocated against
> manoj. Strange no, the way memory work.
>
I recall initially discussing options w/ you and dannf about how to do
it. I don't remember Manoj factoring into the discussion at all.
[...]
>
> I leave this all to you, i hope you are up to the responsability, and will not
> participate again in the kernel team until i am asked to.
>
Why would this be all on me? It's a team effort; I would hope that I
would be able to work on those issues w/ fellow kernel team members that
are interested in actually getting them solved (and not wasting time
arguing back and forth, refusing to compromise).
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