On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 09:57:21AM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote: > On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 07:04:27PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > In this case, even in the absence of free NDIS > > > drivers, one could argue that the utility of having ndiswrapper in main > > > (especially if it is integrated into the install) outweighs any potential > > > drawbacks (and since the only drawback I can see is pissing off > > > zealots/fundamentalists, I'd be all for it.) > > One could argue many things, but since we're trying to make a free > > operating system, maybe we could resist that temptation. I assume, > > btw, you count me as one of the zealots/fundamentalists you're eager to > > piss off. > Don't assume things, it can cloud your judgement. If you don't want people to assume your insults are directed at them, don't throw them around in the first place. > Our goal is to make a free > *and useful* operating system. If you believe that keeping a piece of > completely free software out of main that would allow our users to enable > their wireless ethernet cards during installation is the right thing to do, > even though the package is completely usable without any non-free code, that > makes you sound pretty backwards to me. The only instance when it's usable without any non-free code is when you're better off using a native driver anyway. So either it's not useful to our users, or it requires running non-free code. And that's what contrib's for. > > > What is relevant is that ndiswrapper technically meets all requirements for > > > inclusion into main. Did I miss a solid argument refuting that assertion? > > I doubt it; I think you're just confusing "argument that I disagree with" > > with "argument that is unsound or irrational". > So give a reference or Message-ID of (what you consider) a sound argument > that is not similar to "CIPE, and Windows driver developers who want to test > on Linux don't count." And that's what I mean -- there's nothing unsound about saying those cases don't count; you just disagree with it. Cheers, aj
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