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Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 08:51:12AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Hello Joey,
> On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, Joey Hess wrote:
> > Leaving ubuntu out of this, what puzzles me about your message, Raphael,
> > is this:
> > 
> > Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > > If you have some uploads pending, and would like to see those packages
> > > included [...]
> > 
> > > If for whatever reason you don't want to upload the new package to Debian
> > > directly [...]
> > 
> > This seems to assume that 
> > 
> > a) There might be a lot of Debian developers who have some upload ready
> >    to go but are sitting on them for some reason.
> Not really... it happens quite often that I plan on working on a new
> upstream version (or whatever) but for various reasons, I do not prioritze
> it much because I know I will do it in time for etch... however I may be
> interested to have that better version in Ubuntu as well instead of the
> actual version (which may be too buggy in my opinion). If I don't know
> about the Ubuntu freeze, I may miss the opportunity to work on it in time...

Personally, I think that Debian maintainers need to be a bit more proactive
about filing faux-serious "keep this out of testing" bugs (and requesting
removals from testing in the meantime), and Ubuntu needs to track this
activity to work out what stuff the Debian maintainer thinks is going to
suck if it ends up in the next Ubuntu release.

Until this utopia occurs, however, I've taken the liberty of requesting
removal of non-release-worthy packages for the next Ubuntu release.  E-mail
ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com (it's probably subscriber-only, though, which
makes it a bad choice for communications with the MOTUs by outsiders,
unfortunately) and make the request.

To be fair to the MOTUs, it's probably best to do this fairly quickly once
you realise that the current version is bong and you can't fix it quickly,
as (according to a senior Ubuntu person) MOTUs are supposed to be fixing
major bugs in Debian packages anyway, so if they know up-front that
something is broken, and they're doing their job, they can fix it or remove
it, at their choice.  Asking for removal now doesn't give the MOTUs much
time to fix.  It's a hell of a lot better than having useless crap with your
name on it in a stable release of something as high profile as Ubuntu,

- Matt

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