Re: Need for launchpad
It has come to my attention that this last email could have been construed as a personal attack
against a certain ubuntu developer. It is not meant that way.
What I don't seem to have put across properly are the following points.
1) the blog post mentioned that made me irate was because of the way It was worded andhow i read it
at the time. I didnt read this properly the first time round - and the opinion is expressed about
what I thought the person was trying to put across. After re-reading the article - I changed my mind
(but would still have been irate if the post had been what I first thought it was)
2) I am not lumping all Ubuntu Devs into one boat - nor all Debian Devs - I'm jsut saying that I
think it's the few people out of the large who arent willing to cooperate for whatever reason that
are causing this tension.
Martin Meredith wrote:
> Ok - I'm going to reply to the first post i found on this whole - thing, so apologies if it shows up
> in some weird place in threaded view.
>
> Basically the way I see it isnt the fact that ubuntu isn't giving back to debian - or debian isn't
> willing to have the stuff from ubuntu. The way i see it is that there are a few people - who - for
> some reason or another - just don't do the right thing.
>
> I can definately understand some DD's views here - they seem to get nothing from ubuntu - have to
> wade through patches or whatever to try and find the useful stuff - have to do all this work to get
> all the stuff from ubuntu, because whatever ubuntu dev is doing things isn't contributing back to
> debian. This definately happens. There's no doubt about it.
>
> But, also - and I've had this experience myself - there are some DD's who just plain and simple dont
> want the stuff from ubuntu. I've had a couple of times where I've had an issue with a package - and
> realised it was a problem in debian and upstream too. Usually - I've contacted both upstream and the
> DD via Email about this - and have had various responses - for example, for one package - I sent
> about 7 emails over the space of a month, emailed upstream, tried to contact the DD on IRC - many a
> thing - but well - no response - and I've tried a couple of times with different issues to contact
> that developer regarding those issues - but have never had any awknowledgement, reply etc etc.
>
> I eventually gave up trying contacting that maintainer - and just carried on with the work in ubuntu
> - and worked with upstream. It's people like that that are spoiling it, as I've had experiences with
> other DD's who've been very helpful indeed.
>
> Recently, a certain member of the MOTU team in ubuntu posted a blog post basically saying (from the
> way it came across to me) that contributing back up to debian was a waste of our meagre resources. I
> can't express how ... and this is a very mild way of me putting it (Code of Conduct and all - darn
> it!)... annoyed that made me - I was infuriated, espescially seeing as I'd been one of those people
> who'd raised the issue of contributing back to debian.
>
> I, personally - see contributing to debian as a vital part of the ubuntu development process - after
> all - debian is our upstream - and I'm sure none of the DD's would think that contributing to
> upstream for the packages they maintain is a waste of the time that they could be putting back into
> debian.
>
> To me though - and i will stress this highly - I don't think that it's a fact that ubuntu isnt
> contributing to debian - because it is. But I believe that some people (maybe a lot of people) for
> whatever issue aren't willing to work either way - as Ubuntu can't do all the work - and nor can
> debian - but - when one side isnt willing to work (I'm not on about projects as a whole - I'm on
> about individual people/maintainers) then it spoils the whole thing.
>
> Basically - I dont think the brand should be put on ubuntu as a whole - feel free to target those
> people specifically you see not contributing - but remember - it's a two way thing - and there are
> people not willing to cooperate on both sides.
>
> *dons asbestos underwear and waits for replies*
>
>
>
>
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:19:42 -0500, Frans Jessop
>><fransjessop@hotmail.com> said:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Ubuntu's launchpad is amazing. Do you think it would be helpful if
>>>all DD's worked through it on their projects?
>>
>>
>> Sure, as long as they change lauchpad to meet my workflow
>> requirements. This would mean letting me have a local repo, signed
>> remote repos, arch, email only interfaces, and not getting into my
>> way. If they make changes to meet these requirements, I'll have
>> absolutely no problem throwing away tools I have worked on honing for
>> a decade or so and switching to launchpad. Oh, and release launchpad
>> under a free license, of course, so I don't make Debian development
>> rely on a non-free toolset, of course.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Wouldn't that keep things more organized and efficient? Or perhaps
>>>Debian could build its own version of launchpad which is better.
>>>Again, I think it would do a good job keeping everything organized
>>>an efficient.
>>
>>
>> Yup. Having all humans speak just a single language (and none
>> of these darned wide charset junk) would be way more efficient too.
>> And just have one model of a car -- I mean, who needs all these
>> different companies, so much inefficiency.
>>
>> BTW, thanks for the laugh.
>>
>> manoj
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