Re: Is Ubuntu a debian derivative or is it a fork?
* Petter Reinholdtsen [Sat, 04 Jun 2005 21:01:58 +0200]:
> [Daniel Holbach]
Hello Petter, Daniel, let me pop in. It's my intention to be
> I believe we are discussing how to keep the packages in Debian and
> Ubuntu as synchronized as possible,
Specifically, packages in universe.
> and also encourage people to try to find a DD
> sponsor to upload the packages both into Debian and into Ubuntu.
This will work great if the person has a strong interest both in
Debian and in Ubuntu. I have very limited knowledge of the MOTU
effort, but I think it is increasingly gaining collaborators that do
not have a Debian background, and who start in the packaging world
directly via Ubuntu. For them, finding a Debian sponsor and uploading
to our archive may be: (a) completely uninteresting, (b) a painful
experience. Plus it may not be the ideal situation for Debian either,
since uploading a package should imply that bug reports will be taken
care of, and other Debian specific bits.
For these cases, I believe a co-maintainership scenario would be
really best (as Peter mentioned under "Group maintenance"): a Debian
person and an Ubuntu person work together, each taking care of the
issues specific to their distribution (e.g. bugs), but on the
packaging side they work as closely as possible: common VCS repository
But, alas, there will not always be an interested DD for each new
package that Ubuntu/universe gets, and the difficulty to find a
sponsor, specially for non-experienced packagers, doesn't help here
either (correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that getting a sponsored
upload to universe happens faster and more easily than a sponsored
upload to sid).
For that reason, it could make sanse to keep a list of packages that
exist in Ubuntu but not in Debian. This could be a Wiki page, or
(perhaps even makes more sense) in the RFP/ITP itself, as in (please
give feedback on this):
- Ubuntu packagers are encouraged to file a RFP/ITP bug against wnnp
on bugs.debian.org for each new package they upload
- an ITP is filed if they intend to search a for a Debian sponsor
and maintain the Debian package themselves, otherwise a RFP is
- these ITPs and RFPs carry somewhere in the subject the "[Ubuntu]" (*)
string, so that the set of packages in Ubuntu and not in Debian
can be easily found.
(*) Or a generic label could be used, e.g. "[from-derived-dist]".
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