Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- (abusive?) erotic images in Debian
I have not seen this image thus I do not if I would find it offensive or
not. Could someone please upload a .png of it somewhere and post the URL?
My present view is that any packet that carries a strong controversial
message in the eyes of a significant portion of the users and which is
not directly needed in the core distro should be provided as a separate
download. In this case the image but not the utility should come as a
My motivation for this is that I want Debian to be available to as many
people as possible, regardless of their religious, political or other
convictions. I'm arguing for the greater good of the Debian project, any
person with a serious investment in Debian should do the same.
There is nothing shameful with a naked human body however with porn
there is very often a (sometimes subtle but often not) element of
degradation and abuse towards females.
Imagine in the same utility an image of a black person beeing beaten by
a ku klax klan member, and then imagine some dork defending that image
with the 'excuse' that there is nothing wrong with black people in
images. Well, obviously it's not the black man as such that carries the
message, it's the fact that that he's beeing beaten up (on basis of his
It's the same with porn, it's not a naked female as such that is unmoral
or bad, it's the systematic degradation and abuse of women that is bad.
So stop justifying porn based on "it's nothing wrong with a naked women"
because this issue is totally beside the point.
Unfortunately such degradation/abuse/exploitation is so omnipresent in
porn today that a lot of people have started to consider it to be a part
of the conceptual definition of pornography or even "erotical material".
Hence the hard call is of course to determine whether this particular
image depicts any form of degradation/abuse/exploitation.
I'm not advocating a limitation on the freedom of speech though, neither
am I saying that nudity is an unmoral thing per se. I believe that it's
necessary to depict/discuss/describe even 'bad' things such as brutal
violence, exploitation, rape and war in a non-sugarcoated form. The
problem is typically the context, when an image depicting rape is
presented as entertainment I strongly oppose it.
Binding the 'this is bad'-sign to the bad stuff is really where soceity
as a whole is learning, this is where we set the standard for ourselves.
Finally, I would like to commend Michelle Konzack for standing up on
this issue. Debian should never promote degradation/abuse/exploitation,
in any form, of females (or males or blacks or whites or whatever).
That's my two cents.