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Re: Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activity monitor

On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 05:53:08PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:32:18 +0000, Will Newton <will@misconception.org.uk> said: 
> 	And we have no time to set up i judgement over content --
>  there is a clear criteria for inclusion of packages in Debian already.

We have no need to.  We can collectively make reasonable decisions
without having to set up a constitional authority to do so.

On this particular question, you are right that we cannot set up a
purley objective mechanism to decide a subjective question.  What you
are missing is that we don't have to.

What you are also missing is that we jeopardize our stated goal --
making a quality Free operating system -- by trying to push into it
something that so many people find objectionable, exploitative, and

Perhaps you believe that there is no content that should be illegal.
That is, however, not the case in much of the world.  Child pornography
is illegal in much of the world, and I might add rightly so, especially
it is so often associated with abuse, exploitation, and even slavery.

Would you still support including child porn in Debian?  If so, how
could you possibly justify your sabotage of Debian by making it a
serious crime to possess and copy it in just about every jurisdiction on
the planet, even Sealand?

If not, then your arguments about it being impossible to set a line are

While we are also discussing legality, before advocating the inclusion
of pornography in Debian -- which is distributed to adults and minors
by all manner of organizations worldwide -- please remember that the
organization that holds Debian's legal assets, SPI, is incorporated in
the United States and is subjected to United States laws.

Even if you could convince us that it is legal to distribute pornography
to people of all ages with no warning in the United States, it is
unlikely that you could convince everyone of that.  These actions could
expose us to some fairly serious legal consequences, including lawsuits
from all manner of people, and, depending on the exact nature of the
porn you suggest we should include, possible jail time for various
people associated with Debian.

I for one do not think that the cause of including porn in Debian is
worth it.  How many people here are willing to go to jail so that we can
include porn in main?

Are you?  Why?

If you claim there is no line we can draw, then if we agree with you,
there is no reason to keep child porn out of main either.  Can we please
use some common sense?

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