Re: Updated SELinux Release
On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 10:11:01AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 10:28 +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 11:06:06PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 13:15 +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> > >
> > > > default: no.
> > >
> > > Why not on by default,
> > i would agree with stephen that it should be compiled in,
> > default options "selinux=no".
> I don't believe Stephen said that. He said that the performance hit in
> that case is just the LSM hooks.
> > that gives people the choice,
> It doesn't make sense to make security a "choice". The current Linux
> security model is simply inadequate.
response 1: *shrug*. that's their choice - and their problem.
response 2: you don't have to tell _me_ that - i'm the mad one who is
actively working on a debian/selinux distro!!! :)
response 3: _is_ it the job of debian developers to dictate the minimum
acceptable security level?
basically what i mean is, in gentoo, it's a no-brainer: you set options
at the beginning of your build, come back [2 weeks? :) ] later and you
have a system with PAX stack smashing, lovely kernel, everything
debian doesn't GIVE users that choice [remember the adamantix
bun-fight, anyone?] and instead settles for about the lowest possible
common denominator - no consideration to modern security AT ALL!
> > without affecting performance.
> That's just a bug, and it's being worked on.
> Personally I don't notice any performance problems.
maybe it's just me with my weird setup [very likely], but
running mozilla under KDE 3.3.0 with selinux 220.127.116.11-selinux1
on a 256mb system P4 2.4Ghz) is a 10-11 second startup,
whereas if i set selinux=0 i've seen as fast as a THREE second
i've put KDE_IS_PRELINKED=1, KDE_FORK_SLAVES=1 into the
/usr/bin/startkde and i've run prelink, but i have the nvidia drivers
so the x-windows glx drivers are symlinks, which stops prelink from
being able to do its job on them.
also i recompiled kde 3.3.0 .debs with the latest gcc 3.3.
so i'm not _entirely_ confident that my setup is a good example to
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