On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 07:36:42PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 01:44:28AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > > So call the group of people who can upload X something else. > > ...same thing they're called for all other group-maintained packages. For > example, for the xfree86 source package itself: > > $ grep Uploaders debian/control > Uploaders: Branden Robinson <branden@debian.org>, Fabio M. Di Nitto <fabbione@fabbione.net> > > > The XSF to me is meaningless as a concept > > I reckon it is not reasonable to expect you to cooperatively participate in > that which you consider meaningless. My energies are focussed otherwise, and have been for some time. This has been in no small part due to the fact that I have been funded to work on upstream, but make of that what you will. > > and the really important X group are the gatekeepers to Debian > > Maybe that's just the group that is the sine qua non for you. I personally > consider those who assist with bug triage, prepare patches, and test patches > that Fabio and I can't test (because, e.g., we lack the hardware) to perform > pretty damn important services. I'm sorry you disagree. sine qua non? You'll have to excuse me - I only speak English and Indonesian. And I hope we can agree to disagree. Based on your arguments, I also think upstream are worthless; I hope I have a lot more self-esteem than that. > > The reality is that you guys make decisions -- good or bad -- and have > > the final say on what hits Debian, as it stands. This is not necessarily > > a bad thing, but it's far away from the Utopia you paint where everyone > > can do everything. > > Where is this "Utopia" painted, and who painted it? Do you care to cite > some supporting references for this bread-and-circuses rhetoric? Read the mails I'm replying to. > > I cannot contribute effectively, and I also feel that I cannot work > > within the XSF, while the SABDFL > > What's the SABDFL, and what does it stand for? I deduce from context that > it's a reference to me. Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life. For example, Linus is the original BDFL, I suppose (I don't know who coined the term), and Guido is Python's BDFL. > > continues to feel he cannot work with me, and very rarely communicates > > with me. > > I will communicate with you on public mailing lists -- only. Your choice, but a) this was never made clear to me; there was only radio silence when I attempted to seek your help while making 4.3, and b) I do not feel this is conducive to productive work. > > I have been actively removed from the DUX, > > You were never in the Uploaders field of xfree86 package. You uploaded > anyway, and did not follow the NMU procedure. Furthermore, you did this > deliberately and in full knowledge that you were breaching procedure. My Subversion commit priviliges were revoked. Twice. > > and thus from X maintainence. > > There's a lot more to package maintenance than the act of uploading to the > Debian archive server or one of the upload queues. I understand, but I was asked to stop fiddling the bug list a while ago, if I recall correctly. Between this and the XSF's current penchant for a certain dead monolithic tree, it is fundamentally uninteresting to me. > > That's why I can't contribute. > > It appears to me that you largely *refuse* to contribute, until and unless > you have sanctioned upload privileges. Currently, I do not contrinbute to the XSF, because a) my attention is focussed very much elsewhere (read: my job), b) I don't think you honestly feel you can work with me, and I don't feel that I can work effectively with you as a result, and c) I have a gut feeling that any work I may contribute (mainly moves to modular trees) will be discarded. Or, I fear (perhaps not unreasonably) that a single error-in-judgement misstep will cause you to suspend all Subversion access and declare me the new XFree86 maintainer. -- Daniel Stone <daniels@debian.org> Debian: the universal operating system http://www.debian.org
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