On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 01:26:59PM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Jonas Meurer wrote: > > maybe most recent suggestions about the future of X in debian should > > involve a discussion about the policy for X maintaince. > > Apparently we did not send enough signals about this subject: > > "Everybody is part of the XSF" > > starting from our users to Branden and me as last. > > What is not clear about this concept? So call the group of people who can upload X something else. The XSF to me is meaningless as a concept - the BTS is world-write[0], and the really important X group are the gatekeepers to Debian - being yourself, Branden, and possibly Ishikawa. Let's call this group the DUX - Debian X Uploaders. If you think what I'm saying is stupid, then you're a master hacker on KDE, the Linux kernel, FreeBSD, Gentoo ... > > as a consequence, current 'x strike force' should undergo a radical > > change, to disponse of any hierachy in this developing group. > > Probably if you did not notice yet, the users are on top of everything. > They decide, some of them contributes directly, Branden and I prioritize > the work, review, test and commit. Upload as last. > > Can you spot please what is wrong with it? If I decide and propose something, will you upload it tomorrow? The reality is that you guys make decisions -- good or bad -- and have the final say on what hits Debian, as it stands. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but it's far away from the Utopia you paint where everyone can do everything. > Remember that until now neither Branden or me have made any suggestion of > where Debian should go. We are only listening and talking with people. > How can you perceive this as a need to revert how things are working? I was going to say because it didn't include me, but then I realised that I wouldn't want to go to any club that would take me as a member, or whatever the Spike Milligan quote is. ;) > > all this assuming that it is required to be member for uploading parts > > of X, regardless what upstrem tree. but if policy is that way, maybe > > this question also needs to be discussed a second time. > > Having only five or six people with SVN commit access does not mean that > others cannot contribute. If you feel that this is wrong, please explain > us why. I cannot contribute effectively, and I also feel that I cannot work within the XSF, while the SABDFL continues to feel he cannot work with me, and very rarely communicates with me. I have been actively removed from the DUX, and thus from X maintainence. That's why I can't contribute. [0]: Well, @gFH excluded. It's world-write in the same way debian-x is. -- Daniel Stone <daniels@debian.org> Debian: the universal operating system http://www.debian.org
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