Re: Lost Trust
On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 03:45:44PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote:
> On Sun, May 30, 2004 at 11:31:45PM -0500, Ed wrote:
> > I'm a recent convert to debian at home and I was considering switching
> > to it for development at work. I've been tracking sarge weeklies with
> > jigdo and lost my network device when the tg3 network driver was
> > removed without warning.
If it's any consolation - I _do_ run testing at work for development.
On reasonable hardware, it's fine. Don't let this put you off.
> > I have to say I'm very disappointed. I had this implicit trust that
> > releases would get progressively better. On my part, I would test
> > them and if anything broke, I would help debug it.
The releases _are_ getting better. Debian installer now works, for
example, for high values of works :)
> > I never would have guessed that my working system would have been
> > intentionally broken.
> > The lists don't offer any consolation - I now see it was deleted because
> > a patch to fix broken hardware was not offered in source form. Right.
Right. Don't blame the Debian developer. If we can't patch it properly,
we can't fix it and know it's fixed within the Debian framework. You may
be able to get a non-free driver. The non-free archive is _not_ part of
Debian and has no guarantee - at least in part because of things like
this. If the driver breaks again, say at the release of kernel 2.7,
would we be able to fix it again? Who knows?
> > Do I have to read every changelog.Debian before accepting package
> > upgrades? Is there any reason I should trust debian again?
> Umm, in a word, yes, you probably should at least eyeball the changelogs for
> significant parts of your system to avoid nasty surprises. Keeping half an
> eye on -devel would also help. You're testing a pre-release version of the
> OS here. I think you'd be justified in your stance if woody had tg3
> support, and you did a dist-upgrade to sarge once it had been released
> (after reading the release notes) and your tg3 support disappeared without
Seconded - you should be reading debian-devel at least. Traffic is high
but you'll hear about stuff like this.
> Stick at it, it's fun, but you need to participate fully if you don't want
> to get nasty surprises.
Nasty surprises are rare :) Having said that, I'd appreciate any news
of a working 802.11g PCI wireless card which doesn't use
atheros/broadcom drivers myself :( [Bought a Netgear card thinking they
were always well supported - potentially big mistake :( ]
All the best,