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Re: Debian needs more buildds. It has offers. They aren't being accepted.

On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 11:56:49PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> David Weinehall <tao@acc.umu.se> writes:
> > On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 01:16:44PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> > > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:23:37 +0100, David Weinehall <tao@acc.umu.se>
> > > wrote:
> > > >Yes, the DAM may seem to be an ignorant, paranoid person, but it's his
> > > >bloody job to be paranoid, and honestly, tell me anyone who wouldn't
> > > >ignore people asking for (what may at the moment be perceived as)
> > > >the millionth time whether they will be accepted soon ("Mom, are we
> > > >there yet? Mom, are we there yet? Mom, are we there yet? Mom, are we
> > > >there yet? Mom, are we there yet?"...)
> > > >
> > > >Even if every applicant only asks once or twice, it soon becomes quite
> > > >a lot of questions, especially if these persons also question the DAM's
> > > >authority on public mailinglists.
> > > 
> > > Answering queries would be a good idea. If I had received in Februar
> > > 2001 the information that it would take at least two more months, I'd
> > > have refrained from asking in March.
> > 
> > Obviously, while I realise that people would prefer to get an answer out
> > of the DAM directly (since he is responsible for accepting/rejecting), I
> > think that the AM's should make it clear to the applicants that any and
> > all inquiries wrt to their status should be made through their AM's.
> I did ask my AM and he had no idea why I was stuck. No reply from
> James as to why. If its forbidden for NMs to talk to James that realy
> should be stated.

No, it isn't forbidden (and definitely should be either).  I do however
suggest that in the future we should as early on as possible in the
NM-process tell the applicants to communicate through their AM rather
than directly with the DAM.  Of course, if this somehow becomes praxis,
care must be taken to make sure that the AM and DAM communicates the
reasons for delays.

What we want:

Say you're on-board a flight.  You notice that the flight is taking
longer than usual to arrive to the destination.  Most of the other
passengers have this destination as their final destination, but you have
to catch another plane that is due within 30 minutes from the planned
time of arrival.  Would you walk into the cockpit to ask the pilot
"Are we there yet?" or would you ask the flight attendant to do this for
you?  Asking will of course not get you there any faster (unless the
pilot for some reason has fallen asleep, but since the plane changes
course now and then, that can be dismissed), but knowing why there's a
delay certainly gives a sense of security.  Even knowing that you won't
make your connection would be ok, then you could relax and consider
backup plans.

Now the situation in Debian:

All passengers who have a connection to catch constantly knocks on the
door to the cockpit asking "Are we there yet?"  The pilot, concentrating
on his flying, won't answer.  The flight attendants don't have enough
information, but aren't communicating with the pilot well enough to get
enough information to be able to calm the passengers.  Noone knows
whether they'll make their connections.  People start hurling their
pre-packaged lunches at each-other.  People without connections to make
(like me) begin making stupid comments in attempt to calm things down,
which probably doesn't help all that much.

> It took an intervention from Martin (frontdesk hat afaik) to get
> things going again, Martin putting me under observation for 3 month so
> he could make up his own mind and then recommend to the DAM.
> Now I got told by James that they (James and Martin) were concerned
> about my "inactivity" leading up to the intervention.

As I understand your situation (I can't say I've studied the details
very carefully), you have been rejected by the DAM, right (since I'm
subscribed to the debian-nm list, I probably have a mail about it

Was it Martin who recommended that you'd be rejected, or was it James
who decided on his own, since you seem so convinced that James is out to
get you?  I understand if you don't want to comment on this, I'm just

Regards: David Weinehall
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