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Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]


On 2003-11-15 17:37 -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote:
> > I was writing an ITP when you posted that and suddendly, saw all my
> > work preparation turned into ashes.
> Duck, perhaps you should have written the ITP earlier.

Why should he? If writing an ITP as the very first action is what you
think best, then do it like this, but that doesn't mean that everybody
must do that. When I want to create a package, I first build and test
the upstream version, contact upstream, arrange with him etc. and
_then_ I evaulate if it is worth packaging. All this efforts would
not have need to be done when Chad had seen that sb. else already
works at it. Well, at least upstream now knows about the packaging, so
at least Duck's work was not completely worthless.

> Instead of complaining, why don't you thank your fellow developer
> and offer to co-maintain the package. Perhaps the package could
> benefit from your combined efforts.

Perhaps Debian could benefit from more proper and constructive

On 2003-11-16 19:01 +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > I did contact him, but you didn't.
> [...]
> > I did contact him, but you didn't.
> [...]
> ... but none of this is essential.

Agreed, but at least with my own packages, good upstream cooperation
improves quality.

> I would rather have a package from a registered maintainer, if you
> don't mind.

What do you complain about? You get a DD approved package either way
since the sponsor is required to check the package.

During the last week I noticed an alarming level of arrogancy against
people outside of Debian (just remember the PaX flamewar or some
suggestions Adrian gives from time to time). Scaring off everyone who
wants to give some constructive criticism or even help will certainly
not help to improve Debian's quality and reputation in the long term.
Especially in the light of this questionable paradox attitude: one
part of the DD's always come up with the final argument "don't
complain, do it yourself" and the others with "get your fingers off
Debian, let the Real Wise Men (TM) do the job". 

Please don't get me wrong, I don't want to insult anybody here; I'm
just concerned that these kinds of unnecessary argues irrevocably harm

I wish everbody a nice day!

Martin Pitt 
home:  www.piware.de
eMail: martin@piware.de

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