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Re: language-chooser: Language order shouldn't be alphabetical

On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 09:06:06AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
> I would suggest adopting a policy for the language order. Of course,
> determining the "most important" languages is a very delicate thing as
> everyone would like to have his own language listed on the first page.

I tried to propose this a while back:
Message-ID: <20020305123633.GB23333@dat.etsit.upm.es>
Please re-read the thread:
And I also highlighted this issue in my Debconf3 talk
(slides available at http://people.debian.org/~jfs/debconf/i18n)

> Finding a realistic criterion would be Good, maybe. Either the most used
> languages all over the world, or the languages for which Debian is most
> translated (french would become first, maybe..?:-))), or something based on

I'm not sure French would be the first one, there are a number of areas in 
which other languages surpass French  :-)

> developer number (german would then come first...)...or whatever else....

I suggest you come up with a sort of criteria and submit them for
discussion. Some come to mind, either global: criteria based on the
percentage of population that talks a given language (based on ethnologic
data), criteria based on the languages things (books, movies..) get
translated into (transalation demanded world wide), which the UNESCO
provides data about, or Debian specific: vitality of user/translators 
mailing lists, translated/localised programs, translated/localised debconf 
templates, traslated/localised documentation.

>From my point of view, languagechooser should base its ordering in a very 
simple metric

a) Order languages based on how up-to-date and translated is the  
the debian-installation,

b) In case of a tie, order language by usage as a mother tongue worl-wide
(first Chinese, then Spanish, then English, then Bengali, then Hindi....)
This should be based on some real-world data like
http://www.the-bag-lady.co.uk/wct/wf/index.asp?cont=worldlanguages or

So, in the event of the debian-installer being available fully-translated 
in the following languages: English, French, Spanish, German, Portuguese 
and Japanese, the order would be: English, Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese, 
German, French.
> This should probably be discussed in a very general mailing list as this
> impacts a very sensitive point....but expect no consensus reached.

And that mailing list is debian-i18n, not debian-devel. However, if no 
consensus is going to be reached, what is the point of asking this to be 



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