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Re: Quote: Debian and Democracy at Advocato.org



Thomas Hood <jdthood@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 21:25, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
>> I think this should be clearly discussed.

> Just to prevent any confusion I'll just point out that
> the rant you quoted was authored by Eray Ozkural.

And to immediately stop the any discussion:
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To: debian-qa@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org, erayo@cs.bilkent.edu.tr
Subject: Re: Need help: difficult NM / requestor
From: Roland Mas <lolando@debian.org>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:25:55 +0200
[...]
  Anyway, the offer as it stands is this (fairly standard) sponsorhip
offer: Eray makes fixed packages, makes them available on a public
URL, posts this URL to debian-mentors (possibly Cc:ing me and/or Mark
Brown), and we sponsor these packages if they're good.  If they're
good, and the bugs are fixed, we'll advertise that.  If the packages
are very good, we'll say that publically too, and maybe advocate him
to the DAM.  If they're not good, we'll also advertise that, and Eray
will be in an even more awkward position to bitch and demand than he
is now.

From: Eray Ozkural <exa@kablonet.com.tr>
To: Roland Mas <lolando@debian.org>, debian-qa@lists.debian.org
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 19:53:26 +0300
[..]
Thanks Roland for presenting the situation objectively. He has taken time to
elaborate on what led to the current undesirable situation and our IRC
discussion today. It is as he has said. I didn't see any significant
misrepresentation. [*]

I am very busy writing a paper and doing a book review. When I have some
volunteer time available, I will try to attend the bug reports and I'll
inform potential uploads to Roland and d-mentors list.

To: debian-qa@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org, erayo@cs.bilkent.edu.tr
From: Roland Mas <lolando@debian.org>
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:52:06 +0200
[...]
For anyone interested: one month has passed.  I've been away for
holidays, but I found no email from Eray in my inbox when coming back.

To: debian-qa@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-mentors@lists.debian.org, erayo@cs.bilkent.edu.tr
From: Roland Mas <lolando@debian.org>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:08:12 +0200
[...]
  Two months[1].  Still no email.  Haven't seen him on IRC either.
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If you intend to followup, please don't. Just read the complete
messages on lists.debian.org (I only cut down Roland's initial one
signigicantly.)
            cu andreas
PS: FWIW I think the nm-process is _really_ getting better, we just
had 4 consecutive weeks with new maintainers getting DAM approval and
JT formalizing how rejections work in the fifth week, making the
process more transparent.
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