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Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style



Debian is caching debs rather than targzs. What i got from here,
if the argument is on deciding on whether project shold cache-old
the source code tarballs rather then binaries - i got debs from here
as binary , because i did not come accross other binaries cached in
the system - , I cannot see any differencess between debs and tarballs
in such a way that debs are optimized and suited version of tarballs 
for debian. They are compiled in a manner of a similar architecture
and some similar compiling tools. So what about inefficiency of
compiling the whole source code after removing the binary and 
after that you felt yourself, in your brain or in your emotions, you 
would like to install it again. On idealism, binary caching and 
re-installing from them (if no updates) should be, On pragmatism,
it also should be for keeping away the system using over resources
while compiling the tarballs again and again....

Sincerely.


> Source code is more important than binaries, that we should all agree
> on.
> 
> Fixing bugs that such a project uncovers makes Free software more
> robusts and is good for the community.
> 
> Source based distro's are more bandwidth friendly as the source can be
> reused to produce new revisions of existing packages.
> 
> As a developer i would _much_ rather have a cache of old source code
> than a cache of stale binaries.
> 
> USE settings are the best packaging innovation since apt.
> 
> Optimised binaries wont run slower than non-optimised binaries.
> 
> 
> Performance is commonly stated as the number one goal of source
> distro's, i think its really about control, getting the most out of your
> system.
> 
> Its pragmatism vs idealism, pragmatists say its not worth the effort,
> idealists say it doesnt matter how much effort it takes to achieve
> perfection.
> 
> Arguing pragmatism vs idealism is futile unless we agree on common
> values.
> 
> Debian does have finite resource so we have to be pragmatic in terms of
> what binaries we provide, but we can be more idealistic about the build
> system that we make available for our users.
> 
> We have the begginings of support for user optimised binaries, but we
> have a long way to go before catching upto gentoo.
> 
> We shouldnt be so wrapped up in our own importance that it blinds us to
> the community. Gentoo is doing something right.
> 
> 
> 
> Glenn
> 
> 
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