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Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)



On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 04:22:30AM -0700, David Nusinow wrote:
> On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:03:06PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:09:48AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 01:13:19PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > > > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 07:12:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > > > > Take the harden package, or create something similar: a package that
> > > > > conflicts with all versions of packages with known security holes.
> > > > Why not just /fix/ the holes? Is uploading a package with a well known
> > > > patch _really_ that hard?
> > > The fact is, we don't have a security architecture, or even autobuilders
> > > for testing, 

> > Uh, actually, we have both these things. We've had them for almost a year
> > now, although they haven't been used.

> They're testing-proposed-updates is documented in Section 5.5.2 of the
> Developer's Reference, but it says that they should only be used in
> case of a freeze.

> "You should not upload to testing-proposed-updates when you can update
> your packages through unstable." is also a prominent quote from that
> section. Nothing specifying security updates, although it does discuss
> that these updates require manual intervention. Maybe a specific
> reference to managing security updates to testing in this section would
> be helpful? It'd finally put it down somewhere where people can point
> to, and maybe cut a few of these debates a little shorter.

An upload to testing-proposed-updates is not the same as an upload to
testing-security, AFAIK (different upload queue, different machinery).
But it was my understanding that both were in working order, they just
aren't used -- and no one in a position to do so seems enthusiastic
about taking on the work of vetting uploads to either queue.

-- 
Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer

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