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Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 09:43:03PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

> 	You should really learn how to read. Having a goal does not
>  imply one depends on succeeding. The journey is often worth it even
>  if you do not depend on having attaining the goal.

I read quite well, thank you.  Such personal attacks would not seem to fit
with your lofty philosophy of elevating social norms.

To respond in kind, you should really learn how to construct sentences.

If you did not ever expect to reap any benefit from your "journey", then I
suppose it would be a truly altruistic act, and you a being of rare
character.  But if I may quote you again:

 >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 12:48:51AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
 >> >> and if I can change social norms of conduct so that I would nto be
 >> >> hurt in the future?

...it certainly sounds as if you expect personal benefit.

>  Matt> That may be, but I don't see what that has to do with the sentiment that you
>  Matt> have expressed.   _You_ said "Perhaps[...]if I can change social norms of
>  Matt> conduct so that I would nto[sic] be hurt in the future?" as justification
>  Matt> for your earlier statements.
> 	Yes, it would be nice if we learned to not ridicule people on
>  this mailing list. Am I dependent on functioning, waiting with bated
>  breath for it to happen? hell no.

It would be nice if you did not needlessly provoke me, as part of your
apparent personal conflict with Branden Robinson, simply because I sent a
followup to one of his messages.  However, I will survive it, and I do not
expect this to change.

In judgement of those who engage in ridicule on this mailing list, I do not
believe that you have ground to stand on.

> 	Eradicating poverty and world peace are worthy goals too. Are
>  we all dependent on that, and shall wither away if that does not
>  happen? 

Appeal to popularity, overgeneralization, and hyperbole all in one sentence,
as well as misstating my position.  This is a notable feat of non-argument.

>  Matt> This certainly sounds to me like your goal was to change others' conduct so
>  Matt> that you would not be hurt in the future.
> 	Goal. Goal. Use a dictionary. Having a goal does not imply a
>  dependence. 

If your interest is in goals that you will never achieve, then you are
directly on track.  You are a stunning example of all of the behaviours that
you would sorta kinda like to see change, but wouldn't mind if they never
did, and you will never gain any ground by emulating the object of your

 - mdz

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