On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 02:07:25PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > #include <hallo.h> > * Branden Robinson [Thu, Nov 14 2002, 01:47:49PM]: > > > > Yes, and the time sacrificed for that repository will be subtracted > > > from the time sacrificed for Debian proper. > > > > You cannot know this. > > Sure we can. No, not unless you are omniscient. Do you claim omniscience? > Does death penalty stop murderers? No. Do strict software > licenses stop warez kiddies? I doubt. If we do not provide the packages, > someone else will do. Perhaps you and some of the other opponents of the GR should get together and decide whether or not passage of the GR will "kill non-free packages dead", since one objection raised from several quarters is that passage of the GR will do just that. > We would just hurt Debians reputation by forcing the people to use > packages from unknown source rather then from official mirrors. There already exist many sites on the net where one can Debian packages that aren't from Debian. Does that hurt Debian's reputation or not? > I can even imagine that many image admins will continue to provide the > non-free three as-is, ignoring the GR. What mirror admins do is the mirror admins' business, though if non-free is dropped from auric they'll have to mirror it from elsewhere (or just leave in place statically). Which, incidentally, is exactly the sort of action that would reduce the feared negative impact of this GR. > > 1) Some people may decide they don't feel like fooling with non-free > > anymore, and decide to spend time on Free Software instead. > > Ideology. Who cares about it? *shrug* Some people do; otherwise I suppose you wouldn't have people to get angry with, in your view. > If I need acroread for some presentation, I want to use it. Know. Not > to wait till xpdf bug is fixed so I can run it in full-screen. You'll have to talk to Adobe about that; acroread is not distributed by Debian anymore. > > 2) Some people may decide to not fool with non-free anymore, and use the > > time newly made available to hang out with friends and family or pursue > > some pastime unrelated to computer software. > > What exactly has this to do with Free vs. Non-Free software difference? It is a rebuttal to your assertion that "the time sacrificed for that repository will be subtracted from the time sacrificed for Debian proper." > <...lots of similar semi-pathetic stuff deleted...> Good to see that you're not resorting to logical fallacies. > > Ultimately, we cannot dictate to other people how they will spend their > > time. We can also not predict with high reliability in aggregate how > > they will spend it. There are, in my estimation, too many variables. > > Yes. If the people package non-free software, and it can be distributed > w/o problems, I would not drop it just for ideology. Fortunately, that is not the reason I support John's General Resolution. However, given your propensity to take positions grounded on nothing but assertion, I don't suppose that attempting to discuss this rationally with you does anything but waste time. Nevertheless, you're free to assuage my fears by sticking to non-fallacious reasoning. Only an ideologue refuses to engage his interlocutor. -- G. Branden Robinson | Build a fire for a man, and he'll Debian GNU/Linux | be warm for a day. Set a man on branden@debian.org | fire, and he'll be warm for the http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | rest of his life. - Terry Pratchett
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