Hi, On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 10:36:28AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Emile> On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 02:18:16PM +0000, Steven Fuerst wrote: > > >> The debian project has to realise it has users and upstream maintainers > >> as well as the people who create packages. Your GR totally ignores this > >> fact. > > Emile> Amen. We've /got/ to realise that serving the users is in the end the > Emile> only goal. > > Actually, I reject this premise. I am most certainly not in > this for altruistic reasons; I would never have lasted this long, or > worked so hard, for that. > > Debian is geared to provide *ME* with a system I can > use. ME. ME. Helping like minded people is a bonus; other users are > just a happy happenstance. That's fine. > I am interested in creating the best. most useful > distribution of Linux; since I need one; I scratch my itch, and in > collaboration with other people scratching theirs, we have a halfway > decent system. These other people are important to me, and it is > important to me that the Debian system fulfill their needs, and > requirements, so they continue to work to improve the machines I use > for work and pleasure. Same here. > End users are rarely on my radar. Collaborative users, who > help improve my software, and my system, and make things better all > around, by finding bugs, making suggestions, providing patches -- > them I'll nurture, again, from purely selfish, niggardly, ulterior > motives. Perhaps, but are you really always so sure of your motives? You'd be an exception with such unfaltering introspective abilities. > I always suspect people who claim to be operating from > selfless, pure, altruistic reasons; since that goes against human > nature; and not many people are that altruistic. Even when they are, > they are mere dilletantes, and rarely have the staying power that I > need from the vendor providing my machines OS. I think there's no conflict between helping yourself and helping users. To paraphrase a bad advertising slogan: we're users too. "Serving the users" also encompasses the more selfish motives if you're a user yourself. Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | emile@e-advies.info tel. +31 (0)70 3906153 | http://www.e-advies.info
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