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Re: [desktop] why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks

On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 08:49:29AM -0700, Christopher DuPuis scribbled:
> On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:26:53 +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> > A newbie will not use a bare WindowMaker... If they do, they're not
> > newbies anymore, IMHO. Otherwise we might be forced to somehow add
> > support for twm:-)
> > 
> A newbie who is using a computer with << 256 MB RAM is not likely
> to use either Gnome or KDE. At least not for long. They'll either switch
My whole gnome environment right now (without Nautilus which I don't use)
takes up around 72MB of RAM (RSS) at this moment (some 12 terminal sessions,
xmms, gabber, mixer applet, clock applet, panel and the rest of components -
bonobo, gconf, name service). Compare that with 40MB of RSS for mozilla.
What you're saying is that whether or not the people will use GNOME/KDE,
they will switch back to Win95 sooner or later - mozilla will scare them off
with its RAM usage.

> back to Win95 (or some such thing) and forever after think that "Linux
> is horribly slow", or they will get enough of a clue to switch to
> something less resource-intensive, like Window Maker. 
That "resource intensive" argument is getting a bit worn out, I think. RAM
is cheap, that's first, RAM is there to use it, that's second, the Andrea's
and Rik's VMs are making good use of both RAM and the swap, Linux desktop
performance is good on machines with <256MB of RAM (note that the machines
use that 256MB or less not only for displaying the graphics like Windows XP
but also for all the other useful tasks) and I really doubt that any newbie
these days uses a machine capable of running only Win95 because of the
memory/cpu constraints... Today's newbies buy machines from Walmart for $300 and
enjoy their 256MB of RAM with a moderately fast CPU. Hardware is cheap these

> (Not to make little of the great work done by both Gnome and KDE
> projects. If you have the cycles and memory, they are great.)
Times have really changed. People have more memory and cycles for less these
days. Sure, there still are people who don't have them but you can't win
everything for everyone...



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