On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 11:06:00AM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2002 at 08:26:13PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > > > using priorities to set up a useful system. > > > Some peoples ideas of a 'useful system' don't include large amounts of > > > extra documentation thats not needed for the functionality. > > In which case they can uninstall the package. What's the fuss? > The same argument ("they can uninstall the package") could be applied > to TeX or emacs, That's nice. But if you're going to be like that, then you should notice that you can apply the "Some people's idea of a 'useful system'..." argument to everything but those packages marked Essential: yes, and the packages they depend upon. It'd be pretty stupid to do so, though, because you'd end up talking about the "required" priority, not "standard". Really, it can. Heck, some people's idea of a 'useful system' specifically excludes perl, and thus can't be (easily) achieved with a Debian system. So what? It might be a fun debate to have if you don't have anything useful to do, but it doesn't lead anywhere. > Adding a package with 2MB > of installed-size to the set of standard packages is a step in the > wrong direction. libc6.so alone is 1.2MB, and libc6.deb's total installed-size is 14MB. And it's not merely standard, but required/essential. exim is another 1.4MB of installed-size, not counting the libraries it depends on. ssh another 1.6MB. gnupg-doc isn't particularly large by comparison. By way of contrast, tetex and emacs were dropped because they're both *huge* by comparison -- over 10MB *downloads*. tetex-base is 16 times more than gnupg-doc's installed-size, while emacs21 is around 20 times. And for comparison, we have doc-linux-text marked as standard, with an installed size of 8.5MB and a download size of 7.8MB, which is far more of a nuisance than 2MB of disk and a 600kB download. We mightn't be all that user friendly to someone doing a first install, but we do try to include documentation with the software we install. What's your actual problem with this package that you're so upset about it? Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <firstname.lastname@example.org> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``If you don't do it now, you'll be one year older when you do.''
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