Re: where do NEW packages go?
On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 01:40:32AM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> Do you mean the Linux netkit instead of inet-utils? Inetutils is GNU
> software and works fine GNU/Hurd, *BSD and GNU/Linux (minus bugs). So
> it is possible to have a coherent system. Is Debian GNU/Linux going to
> make GNU inetutils and abandon the netkit package?
Quite possibly, in the long term. We'll need them packaged in such a way
that they can be compared side-by-side for a while, then we'll see.
There are definate problems with linux netkit, and I'd love to see a
replacement. This is a fairly objective technical issue. In any case we
can probably offer users a choice, as we do with sysvinit/filerc.
(That's right, we're about choice rather than dogma.)
> If not, why should we make the FHS the default on GNU/Hurd then?
This is a subjective non-technical issue. It's an arbitrary guideline
that exists for consistency between packages and doesn't really affect
run-time. Are you really blind to the difference?
> GNU doesn't care about what some GNU-bashing hobbyists who wrote a
> kernel and some other software
ding ding ding, we have a winner--looks like contempt and disrespect to
me. This is the attitude problem that I referred to when I said that
certain elements *don't want to* work with us. (The existing debian
developers.)
> with GNU itself. So I really wonder why it isn't in libexec, because
> it should be there.
Note that gnu/linux must not really mean anything, since it's
incompatable with gnu. (Can't have it both ways--we can't be using gnu
if we're incompatable with it.)
> Before I get 25 "fan mails" that I say "hobbyists" I already back it
> up:
> "I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be
> big and professional like gnu)."
> -- Linus Torvalds, 25 Aug 1991
That was more than 10 years ago. I think you'll find that Debian is far
more than the kernel that linus wrote in '91. I think you'll find that
professionals are using linux, not hurd. I think you'll find that linux
is far bigger and widely used than hurd. If clinging to this delusional
world-view comforts you, by all means go ahead.
> This is also a reason why I don't want to be in Debian. Most of the
> time the system is just called "Linux" by people who already know that
> it should actually be "GNU/Linux". I can't work with people who say
> wrong things when they are told it's wrong and the project already
> decided to say the right thing.
Again, we're about choice, not enforced dogma. I think we all agree that
you're looking for something other than debian.
--
Mike Stone
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