Re: debian-devel-digest Digest V102 #299
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>debian-devel-digest Digest Volume 102 : Issue 299
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>Today's Topics:
> Re: RC Security Flaw - mkdir & scrip [ Vince <eloki@dingoblue.net.au> ]
> Re: orphaned packages [ "Uwe Hermann" <uh1763@hermann-uwe.d ]
> Re: orphaned packages [ Michael Piefel <piefel@debian.org> ]
> Re: Procmail Recipe for Debian Lists [ Dmitry Borodaenko <d.borodaenko@sam ]
> Re: xconq package maintained? [ Andreas Rottmann <a.rottmann@gmx.at ]
> Re: orphaned packages [ "Uwe Hermann" <uh1763@hermann-uwe.d ]
> cban packaging [ Fabio Pedrazzoli <rasta@bee-side.co ]
> Re: packages tasksel expects to find [ Josh Huber <huber@debian.org> ]
> Re: The new installer [ Domenico Andreoli <cavok@filibusta. ]
> Re: orphaned packages [ Steve Langasek <vorlon@netexpress.n ]
> Re: The new installer [ brian@debian.org (Brian Mays) ]
> Re: The new installer [ Jeroen Dekkers <jeroen@dekkers.cx> ]
> Bug#136061: ITP: bricolage -- mod_pe [ Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@debian ]
> Re: feedback wanted alternative Debi [ Dmitry Borodaenko <d.borodaenko@sam ]
> Re: The new installer [ Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> ]
> Re: feedback wanted alternative Debi [ Mike Renfro <renfro@tntech.edu> ]
> Re: The new installer [ Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> ]
> Re: When the compiler just can't cut [ Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> ]
> Re: cban packaging [ Noel Koethe <noel@koethe.net> ]
> RE: feedback wanted alternative Debi [ "Sullivan, William" <WSullivan@NetS ]
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>Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:10:00 +1100
>From: Vince <eloki@dingoblue.net.au>
>To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: RC Security Flaw - mkdir & script create as 755, 644. SB &700, yes?
>Message-ID: <[🔎] 20020226080959.GA32388@ball>
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>On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 10:45:49PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> Debian is known to be a rock solid OS, which is sane, easy to
>> maintain, and does not dumb itself down in order to be useful to less
>> knowledgeable users.
>None of these goals (save perhaps the last) need be compromised by the
>suggested change.
>> Preventing people from doing things that are dangerous often
>> also prevents them from doing things that are interesting.
>Just set your umask appropriately then. And if it's not your Debian
>box, I guess the admin can set whatever umask he likes.
>I should say here that I think the umask is fine the way it is right
>now.
>> No. There are distributions that are trying to specialize as a
>> niche for that kind of a user -- and they are far better left to the
>> task than Debian is.
>You seem to believe that Debian cannot become better suited for those
>kinds of users without dropping down an irreversible path to
>specialisation. I disagree.
>> You have to ask yourself what it is that motivates the general
>> developer. While by no means speaking for all developers, I say that
>> I personally spend the time that I do on Debian because I want to --
>> and I spend it doing things that are useful and interesting to
>> _me_. Letting a novice use Debian is interesting, perhaps, but not
>> really enough of a motivator -- that's not going to keep me up at 4am
>> hacking at Debian.
>So don't, then :) Answernig bug emails probably isn't something you get
>too excited about either, but I don't see you disagreeing with the idea
>that Debian should have a bug tracking system.
>> tluxt> Now, he probably won't know about umask. My point is:
>>
>> Should he not learn?
>Yes. But that doesn't mean we can't have a discussion about which is
>the more appropriate default umask.
>> tluxt> So, I think it wise that the packagers of the Debian system
>> tluxt> should keep in mind such a person, and have as a goal that the
>> tluxt> Debian system could, ultimately, be productively & easily used
>> tluxt> by such a person.
>>
>> Why? How does that scratch my itch?
>I don't think the purpose in people filing bugs or making suggestions is
>to scratch your itch, though. If it does, great.
>> We have a well known target audience. If we can expand the
>> user base without inconveniencing the target autdience, fine. But
>> making group based collaboration harder (by sharing files belonging
>> to a common group that I and my fellow workers belong to) is not
>> that.
>Hmm. Who is root going to be collaborating with?
>> I reject that hypothesis. Personally, I would much rather that
>> Debian continue to cater to people like me -- there are toehr
>> distibutions that shall be a better fit for the average consumer.
>I think it's something that could be worked on where simple, convenient
>and unobstructive.
>> Choice is on of the greatest things that free software
>> offers. Making Linux distributions clones of one other chasing the
>> largest market share does the community a disservice in the end.
>This seems like an overly competitive view of the Linux distro field.
>We may make usability changes not to better "compete" with other
>distributions, but simply because we see improvements we want to
>merge/emulate in Debian. In other words, we take what we think is good.
>Not because our goal is to "chase" them, but because we think it's a
>worthy change.
>--
> Vincent Ho
>vwh@dingoblue.net.au
>Every complex problem is a simple hierarchy of simple problems.
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>Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:51:26 +0100
>From: "Uwe Hermann" <uh1763@hermann-uwe.de>
>To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: orphaned packages
>Message-ID: <[🔎] 20020227125126.GA7169@forest>
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>On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 06:10:00PM -0800, Carl B. Constantine wrote:
>> As a prospective new developer, I'm curios what package would be really
>> goods to start with.
>Go to Freshmeat, download a small game or tool which you like and
>package it... Small games or the like are quite good as a learning
>experience, IMHO...
>Uwe.
>--
>Uwe Hermann
>uwe@debian.org
>uh1763@hermann-uwe.de | Unmaintained Free Software:
>http://www.hermann-uwe.de | http://www.unmaintained-free-software.org
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>Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:56:28 +0100
>From: Michael Piefel <piefel@debian.org>
>To: Uwe Hermann <uh1763@hermann-uwe.de>
>Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: orphaned packages
>Message-ID: <[🔎] 20020227135628.GK2399@kosh.informatik.hu-berlin.de>
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>Am 27.02.02 um 13:51:26 schrieb Uwe Hermann:
>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 06:10:00PM -0800, Carl B. Constantine wrote:
>> > As a prospective new developer, I'm curios what package would be really
>> > goods to start with.
>> Go to Freshmeat, download a small game or tool which you like and
>> package it... Small games or the like are quite good as a learning
>> experience, IMHO...
>And aft
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