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>debian-devel-digest Digest				Volume 102 : Issue 299

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>Today's Topics:
>  Re: RC Security Flaw - mkdir & scrip  [ Vince <eloki@dingoblue.net.au> ]
>  Re: orphaned packages                 [ "Uwe Hermann" <uh1763@hermann-uwe.d ]
>  Re: orphaned packages                 [ Michael Piefel <piefel@debian.org> ]
>  Re: Procmail Recipe for Debian Lists  [ Dmitry Borodaenko <d.borodaenko@sam ]
>  Re: xconq package maintained?         [ Andreas Rottmann <a.rottmann@gmx.at ]
>  Re: orphaned packages                 [ "Uwe Hermann" <uh1763@hermann-uwe.d ]
>  cban packaging                        [ Fabio Pedrazzoli <rasta@bee-side.co ]
>  Re: packages tasksel expects to find  [ Josh Huber <huber@debian.org> ]
>  Re: The new installer                 [ Domenico Andreoli <cavok@filibusta. ]
>  Re: orphaned packages                 [ Steve Langasek <vorlon@netexpress.n ]
>  Re: The new installer                 [ brian@debian.org (Brian Mays) ]
>  Re: The new installer                 [ Jeroen Dekkers <jeroen@dekkers.cx> ]
>  Bug#136061: ITP: bricolage -- mod_pe  [ Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@debian ]
>  Re: feedback wanted alternative Debi  [ Dmitry Borodaenko <d.borodaenko@sam ]
>  Re: The new installer                 [ Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> ]
>  Re: feedback wanted alternative Debi  [ Mike Renfro <renfro@tntech.edu> ]
>  Re: The new installer                 [ Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> ]
>  Re: When the compiler just can't cut  [ Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> ]
>  Re: cban packaging                    [ Noel Koethe <noel@koethe.net> ]
>  RE: feedback wanted alternative Debi  [ "Sullivan, William" <WSullivan@NetS ]

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>Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:10:00 +1100
>From: Vince <eloki@dingoblue.net.au>
>To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: RC Security Flaw - mkdir & script create as 755, 644. SB &700, yes?
>Message-ID: <20020226080959.GA32388@ball>
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>On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 10:45:49PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

>> 	Debian is known to be a rock solid OS, which is sane, easy to
>>  maintain, and does not dumb itself down in order to be useful to less
>>  knowledgeable users. 

>None of these goals (save perhaps the last) need be compromised by the
>suggested change.

>> 	Preventing people from doing things that are dangerous often
>>  also prevents them from doing things that are interesting.

>Just set your umask appropriately then.  And if it's not your Debian
>box, I guess the admin can set whatever umask he likes.

>I should say here that I think the umask is fine the way it is right
>now.

>> 	No. There are distributions that are trying to specialize as a
>>  niche for that kind of a user -- and they are far better left to the
>>  task than Debian is.

>You seem to believe that Debian cannot become better suited for those
>kinds of users without dropping down an irreversible path to
>specialisation.  I disagree.

>> 	You have to ask yourself what it is that motivates the general
>>  developer. While by no means speaking for all developers, I say that
>>  I personally spend the time that I do on Debian because I want to --
>>  and I spend it doing things that are useful and interesting to
>>  _me_. Letting a novice use Debian is interesting, perhaps, but not
>>  really enough of a motivator -- that's not going to keep me up at 4am
>>  hacking at Debian. 

>So don't, then :) Answernig bug emails probably isn't something you get
>too excited about either, but I don't see you disagreeing with the idea
>that Debian should have a bug tracking system.

>>  tluxt> Now, he probably won't know about umask.  My point is:
>> 
>> 	Should he not learn?

>Yes.  But that doesn't mean we can't have a discussion about which is
>the more appropriate default umask.

>>  tluxt> So, I think it wise that the packagers of the Debian system
>>  tluxt> should keep in mind such a person, and have as a goal that the
>>  tluxt> Debian system could, ultimately, be productively & easily used
>>  tluxt> by such a person.
>> 
>> 	Why? How does that scratch my itch?

>I don't think the purpose in people filing bugs or making suggestions is
>to scratch your itch, though.  If it does, great.

>> 	We have a well known target audience. If we can expand the
>>  user base without inconveniencing the target autdience, fine. But
>>  making group based collaboration harder (by sharing files belonging
>>  to a common group that I and my fellow workers belong to) is not
>>  that.

>Hmm. Who is root going to be collaborating with?

>> 	I reject that hypothesis. Personally, I would much rather that
>>  Debian continue to cater to people like me -- there are toehr
>>  distibutions that shall be a better fit for the average consumer.

>I think it's something that could be worked on where simple, convenient
>and unobstructive.

>> 	Choice is on of the greatest things that free software
>>  offers. Making Linux distributions clones of one other chasing the
>>  largest market share does the community a disservice in the end.

>This seems like an overly competitive view of the Linux distro field.
>We may make usability changes not to better "compete" with other
>distributions, but simply because we see improvements we want to
>merge/emulate in Debian.  In other words, we take what we think is good.
>Not because our goal is to "chase" them, but because we think it's a
>worthy change.




>-- 
>    Vincent Ho
>vwh@dingoblue.net.au

>Every complex problem is a simple hierarchy of simple problems.

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>Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:51:26 +0100
>From: "Uwe Hermann" <uh1763@hermann-uwe.de>
>To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: orphaned packages
>Message-ID: <20020227125126.GA7169@forest>
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>On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 06:10:00PM -0800, Carl B. Constantine wrote:
>> As a prospective new developer, I'm curios what package would be really
>> goods to start with.

>Go to Freshmeat, download a small game or tool which you like and
>package it... Small games or the like are quite good as a learning
>experience, IMHO...


>Uwe.
>-- 
>Uwe Hermann
>uwe@debian.org
>uh1763@hermann-uwe.de     | Unmaintained Free Software:
>http://www.hermann-uwe.de | http://www.unmaintained-free-software.org

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>Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:56:28 +0100
>From: Michael Piefel <piefel@debian.org>
>To: Uwe Hermann <uh1763@hermann-uwe.de>
>Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: orphaned packages
>Message-ID: <20020227135628.GK2399@kosh.informatik.hu-berlin.de>
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>Am 27.02.02 um 13:51:26 schrieb Uwe Hermann:
>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 06:10:00PM -0800, Carl B. Constantine wrote:
>> > As a prospective new developer, I'm curios what package would be really
>> > goods to start with.
>> Go to Freshmeat, download a small game or tool which you like and
>> package it... Small games or the like are quite good as a learning
>> experience, IMHO...

>And aft

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