shouldn't all this be done on debian-legal?? On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 08:53:17PM +0100, Stephen Stafford wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Saturday 02 June 2001 7:37 pm, John Hasler wrote: > > Wolfgang writes: > > > That "weirdness" is a right. > > > > If you think about it carefully you will see that it is exactly the > > opposite. > > > > > So if Apple asks to give up that right to be able to use that > > > program, then it is a restriction. > > > > Apple is asking no one to give up anything. They are merely > > attempting to comply with the law. > > > > > And as such this license is not free. > > > > Then neither is the GPL. > > I am almost sorry I started this thread now. > > Nobody ever claimed that the license was free in the DFSG sense (it is > most assuredly non-free because of the restrictions on distribution of > fonts). I am more interested in whether it can be packaged for the > archive even as non-free (in fact non-us/non-free). Following some > discussion on OPN earlier I am not so sure that it can. > > as a reminder, the license is available at: > http://people.debian.org/~bagpuss/copyright > for anyone who wishes to look at it. > > > 5. Indemnification. You agree to indemnify and hold Apple harmless > from any and all damages, liabilities, costs and expenses (including > but not limited to attorneys' fees and costs of suit) incurred by > Apple as a result of any claim, proceeding, and/or judgment to the > extent it arises out of or is connected in any manner with the > operation, use, distribution or modification of Modified Software, or > the combination of Apple Software or Modified Software with other > programs; provided that Apple notifies Licensee of any such claim or > proceeding in writing, tenders to Licensee the opportunity to defend > or settle such claim or proceeding at Licensee's expense, and > cooperates with Licensee in defending or settling such claim or > proceeding. > > aj and others seemed to be pretty worried about clause 5 of the > license. What *I* think it means is 'if you want to sue us then you > have to pay our lawyers fees in order to do so'. However I could see > the point that some people made who thought that this clause may entail > Debian being held accountable and responsible for any legal costs > incurred by Apple in any action pertaining to the software. > If this *is* the case and Debian could be seen to be responsible and > have to pay up under this clause even if Debian were not the plaintif > in the particular case then I agree with the feeling I got from people > on OPN tonight in that it probably should not be packaged and > distributed by us. (which is a damn shame as the packaging is all > finished and ready to go now, and I seriously do feel that it would be > a useful and valuable addition to the archive). > I am attempting to find a contact email address for someone at Apple > who might be able to clarify the point, however I am not holding out > much hope of finding one before Monday (a search through the Apple > website failed to find any likely looking address. I do have a phone > number for Apple UK customer relations, so I am hoping that they might > be able to furnish me with some contact information. I will have to > wait for office hours to contact them though). If anyone happens to > already have contact information of this nature then I would be glad to > hear from them. > In the meantime any thoughts anyone has on the matter are welcome (if > flames then please direct them to my personal mailbox and not to the > list. I am thick skinned but some people just get bored and annoyed at > all the flamey noise) > [*thinking of asking for a debian-flames list*] > > Thanks, and apologies for the flames some have seen fit to fan from > what was supposed to be a fairly simple ITP and request for advice > concerning the license. > > - -- > Stephen Stafford > GPG public key on request > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE7GUQxFwmY7Xa4pD0RAuReAJ4w/Q0hJ+isrbBeMkGH/c00RznSUQCfddDk > LA3RE80X7DDFIJvVcF6iSCY= > =BP52 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-request@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org > -- Jason Thomas Phone: +61 2 6257 7111 System Administrator - UID 0 Fax: +61 2 6257 7311 tSA Consulting Group Pty. Ltd. Mobile: 0418 29 66 81 1 Hall Street Lyneham ACT 2602 http://www.topic.com.au/
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