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Re: cleaning up our task packages



Hi!

There are too many answers to the question "What I want to do?".  So 
there will be many task-packages.  And I like that Debian has them.  It 
is difficult to know thousands packages, but it is not so difficult to 
choose between less than 100 task packages.

On  7.XII.2000 at  9:23 Sami Haahtinen wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 12:45:13AM -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> > Maybe we need a way to define subtasks so we get output like:
> > 
> >  [ ] LDAP			: LDAP libraries, server and clients
> >      [ ] LDAP Devel		: LDAP Development libraries
> >      [ ] LDAP Server		: LDAP Server
> >      [ ] LDAP Tools		: LDAP Utilities
> >      [ ] LDAP Name Service	: LDAP NSS and PAM for Name Service

That seams to be a nice solution.  The problem is how to realise it.  
I think there is no need to make subtasks.  Let the task packages be 
many, for example task-web-server-apache and task-web-server-roxen.  
(I know that for these examples the question "what I want to do?" is 
not appropriate, but how to choose between these different web servers?)
Then tasksel (and other user-friendly installers) can use categories 
like "Natural language environment", "Internet server", "Development".

> > Makes much more sense. Tasksel could unfold only when asked to do so, like
> > when a user is really interested in the tasks specifics, or they want only

And this is similar to the installers of many popular big programs and 
operating systems.

> is this really supposed to be in tasksel? 

For example in tasksel.

> ok.. lets assume the question, 'what do i want to do?', 'i want to use
> ldap'.. before we get here user has to learn what ldap is, and most
> likely at that point he will know a name of the server he wants (or
> knows how to use apt-cache) 
> once again, 'i want to use ldap based authentication'.. at this point
> there would be a admin present to set it up.. or if the user needs
> ldap authentication and wants to set it up.. there is no need for a
> task package on this.

I think that there is no need for any task package, but regardless of 
that they are useful.

> the scene you are describing would just obsolete frontends for apt and
> dpkg.. it wouldn't have anything to do with tasksel..

No.  apt frontends and dselect will see many task packages.  I like to 
install task packages with dselect.  And I think that many task 
packages are more useful especially for these installers.  The 
classification is for other kind of installers like tasksel.


Anton Zinoviev, <zinoviev@debian.org>




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