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Re: General Resolution: Removing non-free

On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 05:56:13PM -0700, Alex Romosan wrote:
> "Eric Gillespie, Jr." <epg@pobox.com> writes:
> > I don't know if those of us in the new-maintainer queue count,
> > but if we do, i'm willing to be listed as a sponsor.
> > 
> > I agree completely that non-free is no longer compatible with
> > Debian's goals. Netscape is the only non-free software i still
> > use, and with each nightly build of Mozilla i come closer to
> > having a completely free system.
> > 
> i thought that the goal was to provide a technically superior
> distribution which can be used by as many people as possible. not

>From the social contract:

"The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made common
 cause to create a free operating system."

So the primary objective of Debian is to create a free operating system.

> everybody uses debian on their home toy box for web surfing. i guess
> you don't use java (or any of the other programs in non-free), but
> some of us do (and we don't have a choice). when i started using
> debian some five years ago it was because (amongst other reasons), as
> the social contract states:
>    4. Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software
>                          ^^^^^^^^^

In the parapgraph you cited, there is no promise that Debian will maintain
non-free software. There is the promise that we will permit to use free
software in Debian:
     "We won't object to commercial software
     that is intended to run on Debian systems, and we'll allow others to
     create value-added distributions containing both Debian and commercial
     software, without any fee from us. To support these goals, we will
     provide an integrated system of high-quality, 100% free software, with
     no legal restrictions that would prevent these kinds of use."

> over the years the users have been marginalized and the emphasis has
> been put more and more on free software. so when you remove free
> software also make sure to remove all references to giving priorities
> to users. you don't! 

Debian is a project born to create a completely free software operating
system. To pretend that _Debian_ maintain non-free software is excessive.
Anyone can download debs or other software and install on their systems.

You don't must to install a complete operating system: you must install the
few packages for which does not exists a valid free alternative.

> if you don't want to use non-free software, then don't use it but
> please don't tell me how to live my life. i'll make my choices, and if
> this resolution passes i guess it will be time for me to leave the
> project and find another distribution to use. too bad because i really
> liked debian.

Sorry, but your reasoning is flawed:

you must use non-free software so Debian must maintain non-free software?

note that nobody is going to impede you maintain a deb package.


Francesco Tapparo				 |	cesco@debian.org
fight for your software freedoms: www.fsf.org    |      tapparo@mat.unimi.it

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