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Re: Unsupported Debian [was: Re: [New maintainer] Working for De

On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 10:39:34AM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:

> > > > http://www.internatif.org/bortzmeyer/debian/apt-sources/
> ...
> > This is essentially creating a redhat-line rhcn. 
> Yes, but a successful one :-) (Eleven sources have been registered in one day, 
> while RedHat RHCN still languishes.) Most of the packages they announce are in 
> Debian's "main".
> And do not mix RedHat RHCN <http://developer.redhat.com/rhcn/> with RedHat 
> "contrib" packages. The problem with RedHat is that almost all the contrib 
> packages are *not* in the RHCN.

OK, Red Hat sucks. I think most of us here agree on that, lets discuss
something else. :-)

> > Which is not a whole
> > lot better. And what is it for? Why should we do that, why can't
> > people be accepted into the project? It worked in the past, what's
> > different now?
> I am pragmatic. Despite the FUD that Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho is
> spreading, admission of new maintainers *is* suspended. It is a
> fact. No more announces were made for a long time.
> So, what can I do? I am not a leader, I have no hidden information.
> I am just a regular developer. So, I put my code where my mouth is
> and I write the "unofficial APT sources" application. Use it if you
> like.
> At least, it will be organized, there will be a warning, etc.
> Otherwise, candidates, fed up with the waiting, and above all, the
> lack of feedback (delaying is understandable, blackholing is not),
> would set up such a thing, with less controls.

To me, one of the *major* advantages of Debian over others (Red Hat,
Slackware, just about anyone) is that there's *one* place where all
the packages are, and they all enjoy Debian's extensive and excellent
infrastructure, namely the BTS, the QA group, and so on. That's the
main point in my humble Debian advocacy writeup
(http://alexsh.hectic.net/debian.html) that has so far brought quite a
few of my acquaintances to Debian from other distributions. I think
this is one of the major things that make us unique.

I applaud you for actually doing something instead of just talking.
In most cases it's the right thing. But I think that in this case it
will do more damage than good, since it's a slippery slope. IMHO it's
better not to have some packages at all, or maybe do have them a
little later through Raphael's sponsors idea, than to start unofficial
.deb distribution sites. Since it's much easier to do the latter than
the former, I'm afraid that more and more people will start doing it,
and we will end up with a non-commercial version of Red Hat that
happens to use dpkg instead of RPM.

Someone from the new-maintainer team, or the project leader, is
probably reading these lines. If you do, please, can you step out of
the shade and explain the situation? Please don't regard this comment
as a flame or troll or whatever. I really sincerely want to know
what's going on. There must be *someone* who can tell! So please do!

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