I was asked to look at a thread here but haven't reached it, instead I'm entering the second huge thread that seems to need my comments. First of all, there are only three reasons for removing packages: a) F*cked up license that forbids distribution b) The package causes damages on systems c) The maintainer requests its removal Neither Gnome nor Gtk pass any of a) through c). Thus there is no reason for removing Gnome. Apart from that I would consider its removal brain damaged. The Gtk packages in our distribution produce an ugly looking overhead of packages. I have to admit this. I already spoke to BenC on IRC about this issue. Our unstable distribution is for development. Thus it is ok to contain a bunch of packages that are only used for development. However if we are to release potato (about one month before the first freeze) we *should* go through all packages and find out which versions of Gtk are needed. If packages depend on older versions of Gtk and work properly with newer ones either the maintainer or a QA group should recompile them in order to remove dependencies to old Gtk packages. Recompiling each Gtk-dependend package every time a new Gtk comes out doesn't make sense, but doing it at the end does make sense - imho. I'm sure we will be able to remove some of them and keep only the last few versions in the archive. Now for Gnome. Gnome is a big win for the community. Not only because it's a counterpart to KDE but also because it's a different design and different people. (From my experience they're much cooler btw.) Having Debian GNU trying to integrate Gnome in their system is a big win for all Debian users and for Gnome as well. We already went through this with KDE who changed some of their code organising because Debian places files according to FSSTND. Even though Gnome is under heavy development it is usable. This is enough reason to ship it and we will continue this. There are bugs, for sure, like in any other package. The more people using it and detecting these bugs the better Gnome will be. Regards, Joey -- GNU does not eliminate all the world's problems, only some of them. -- The GNU Manifesto Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists.
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