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> debian-devel-digest Digest                              Volume 99 : Issue 19
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> Today's Topics:
>   Re: Incoming mirror?                  [ Adrian Bridgett <adrian.bridgett@ze ]
>   Re: Suggestion: Skip Slink!           [ John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org ]
>   Re: Debian Weekly News - 29 Dec 1998  [ Hamish Moffatt <hamish@debian.org> ]
>   Re: /pub/incoming/debian-non-US not   [ Christoph Martin <martin@verwaltung ]
>   Re: Proposal: Adding more architectu  [ Joey Hess <joey@kitenet.net> ]
>   Re: Suggestion: Skip Slink!           [ Joey Hess <joey@kitenet.net> ]
>   Re: Suggestion: Skip Slink!           [ Joey Hess <joey@kitenet.net> ]
>   Re: Suggestion: Skip Slink!           [ Joey Hess <joey@kitenet.net> ]
>   Re: libpng & gnome & slink            [ Vincent Renardias <vincent@ldsol.co ]
>   Re: libpng & gnome & slink            [ Shaleh <shaleh@livenet.net> ]
>   Re: libpng & gnome & slink            [ Vincent Renardias <vincent@ldsol.co ]
>   Overall Unmet dependencies            [ Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ualberta.ca> ]
>   RE: list archiving software           [ Darren Benham <gecko@benham.net> ]
>   Re: Overall Unmet dependencies        [ Vincent Renardias <vincent@ldsol.co ]
>   Re: Overall Unmet dependencies        [ Joey Hess <joey@kitenet.net> ]
>   Re: Adopting dpkg-ftp                 [ Yann Dirson <ydirson@mygale.org> ]
>   Re: Adopting dpkg-ftp                 [ Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ualberta.ca> ]
>   Re: list archiving software           [ Darren Benham <gecko@benham.net> ]
>   Re: Overall Unmet dependencies        [ Joseph Carter <knghtbrd@debian.org> ]
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> Subject: Re: Incoming mirror?
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:05:49 +0000
> From: Adrian Bridgett <adrian.bridgett@zetnet.co.uk>
> To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> 
> On Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 10:19:51AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > the incoming mirror at llug.sep.bnl.gov vanished a few weeks ago...anyone
> > know where another one is?
> >
> > i'd like to mirror incoming locally again...it's often very useful.
> 
> Here's the list I use (the top one usually).  Many thanks to all who provide
> these (are they in the mirrors.html file (the new one that _didn't_ have a
> link from www.debian.org a few weeks ago).
> 
> ftp://ftp.lh.umu.se/pub/linux/debian-Incoming
> ftp://ftp.fuller.edu/debian-incoming
> ftp://llug.sep.bnl.gov/pub/debian/Incoming
> ftp://rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl/debian/incoming
> ftp://os.inf.tu-dresden.de//debian/Incoming
> 
> Adrian
> 
> email: adrian.bridgett@zetnet.co.uk, http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett
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> 
> Subject: Re: Suggestion: Skip Slink!
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:57:42 -0600
> From: John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org>
> To: Avery Pennarun <apenwarr@worldvisions.ca>
> CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> 
> On Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 03:12:47PM -0500, Avery Pennarun wrote:
> 
> > For Red Hat, it would be possible to make RH5.1 for i386 and sparc stable at
> > the same time, simply by ordering the right number of employees to work on
> > each port.  They favour i386 for purely profit and marketing reasons,
> > because i386 is more popular.  Don't jump on me for saying that.  It's true.
> 
> Of course, that is correct.
> 
> > Debian doesn't do things for public popularity, or for profit.  But we also
> > don't have a management team.  You can't order i386 developers to work on
> > the sparc version, and as a side-effect of i386 being popular, there are a
> > lot more i386 developers than sparc developers.  Therefore i386 gets newer
> > packages and faster bugfixes, and that's the way it is.
> 
> I'm not saying that i386 developers ought to be ordered to work on Sparc.
> To do so would be silly.  I'm also not saying that there is necessarily a
> problem with most packages showing up first on the i386 distribution; this
> effects unstable only, no big deal there.  Porters will get around to it
> eventually.
> 
> What I am complaining about is that there are certain things that are either
> being done or suggested that relegate other ports to a second-class status.
> 
> > You can, of course, still release the i386 and sparc ports at the same time,
> > but that's because i386 is later, not because sparc is earlier.  That's a
> > failure, not an improvement.  I can see absolutely no advantage in such a
> > delay.
> 
> It's not the Sparc's fault that it is not truly frozen yet.
> 
> Further, at freeze time, all ports "should" be at the same spot anyway, or
> very nearly so.
> 
> It's when people start suggesting that we don't release one port simply
> because its FTP directory was not frozen at the same time as i386, and
> therefore hasn't had a chance to catch up yet, that really gets on my
> nerves.
> 
> --
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> Subject: Re: Debian Weekly News - 29 Dec 1998 to 5 Jan 1999
> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:18:08 +1100
> From: Hamish Moffatt <hamish@debian.org>
> To: Debian developers list <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
> 
> On Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 03:04:33PM +0000, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > I think your Debian weekly news bulletin is a great idea -- I would
> > have missed the qmail -> exim announcement since I often don't read
> > every mail on -private.  Suggestion to whoever: announcements like
> > that should also be posted on -devel-announce or flagged in the
> > subject line in -private.
> 
> Yes, now that I've just noticed I posted to -devel-announce twice
> by mistake.
> 
> Sorry folks.
> 
> Hamish
> --
> Hamish Moffatt VK3TYD              hamish@debian.org, hamish@rising.com.au
> Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5
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> 
> Subject: Re: /pub/incoming/debian-non-US not writable
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:21:36 +0100 (MET)
> From: Christoph Martin <martin@verwaltung.uni-mainz.de>
> To: Christoph Martin <martin@verwaltung.uni-mainz.de>
> CC: non-us-ftp@dresden.de.debian.org, debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> 
> Christoph Martin writes:
>  >
>  > I tried to upload a new version of ssltelnet, but the upload directory
>  > on nonus.debian.org is not writable.
> 
> now it's group writable but not user writable. The ownership of the
> directory is different from the ownership of the created files. So one
> can not overwrite, rename or delete ones own files.
> 
> My upload of ssltelnet failed and now I can't overwrite the corrupted
> files.
> 
> Christoph
> 
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> 
> Subject: Re: Proposal: Adding more architecture options to dpkg (was: Re: Adding Hurd architecture/os to dpkg and packaging scripts.)
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:17:24 -0800
> From: Joey Hess <joey@kitenet.net>
> To: Steve Dunham <dunham@cse.msu.edu>
> CC: Marcus Brinkmann <Marcus.Brinkmann@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>,
>      Martin Mitchell <martin@debian.org>, debian-devel@lists.debian.org,
>      dpkg-maint@chiark.greenend.org.uk
> 
> Steve Dunham wrote:
> > When you make these changes to dpkg, try to find a way to deal with
> > platforms that handle two different architectures.  (e.g. UltraSparc
> > machines handle sparc and sparc64, intel machines handle i386 and the
> > proposed i586 distributions.)  It would be nice to build and install
> > packages for both architectures on these machines.
> >
> > I have "sparc" Debian installed on my Ultra5, and successfully compile
> > packages for the "sparc" architecture - in fact, the tools to build
> > userland code for "sparc64" are not ready and will not be ready for
> > quite a while.  (And, even then, we'd probably want a mixture of
> > packages to guarantee system stability.)
> 
> I have a patch to dpkg that does this. I think I submitted it as a wishlist
> bug. It makes dpkg read a new file, /etc/dpkg/architectures, which has a
> format like:
> 
> i386: i386 all pentium
> ultrapsparc: sparc all sparc64
> 
> --
> see shy jo
> 
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> 
> Subject: Re: Suggestion: Skip Slink!
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:27:03 -0800
> From: Joey Hess <joey@kitenet.net>
> To: "Ivan E. Moore II" <rkrusty@tdyc.com>
> CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> 
> Ivan E. Moore II wrote:
> > I personally think we need to treat each port differently.  As
> > each one will have it's own issues.  Yes, the source distro is
> > different and contains all of them...but maybe that needs
> > to be re-thunk (uhh) on how it should be handled.  But I don't
> > think holding up the release of other ports due to one port
> > not being ready is a solution.  That would definatly cause
> > Debian to get behind at some point in time or another.
> 
> Here's a solutuion to the source distribution problem. Whenever we add a new
> release to debian, we could increment the release number. Ie, if we release
> just i386 as debian 2.1r1, then when m68k is ready, we bump the version up to
> debian 2.1r2. This means we release a new source cd as well (and new i386
> cd's, which will have minimal changes).
> 
> I doubt this would mean much more frequent changes to debian's revision
> number than we have now - we have to change the revision number occasionally
> for security fixes anyway.
> 
> --
> see shy jo
> 
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> 
> Subject: Re: Suggestion: Skip Slink!
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:32:33 -0800
> From: Joey Hess <joey@kitenet.net>
> To: Avery Pennarun <apenwarr@worldvisions.ca>
> CC: John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org>, debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> 
> Avery Pennarun wrote:
> > However, if slink/sparc is released with a few changes after slink/i386,
> > there's nothing stopping the i386 people from rebuilding their packages with
> > sparc's changes in order to catch up.  We just call that Debian 2.1r2, and
> > sparc never made a 2.1r1 release.  If I'm an admin concerned with
> > consistency, I stayed with hamm until all my required arches were stable.
> 
> I agree (came up with the same idea independantly, in fact).
> 
> --
> see shy jo
> 
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> 
> Subject: Re: Suggestion: Skip Slink!
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:33:29 -0800
> From: Joey Hess <joey@kitenet.net>
> To: John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org>
> CC: Avery Pennarun <apenwarr@worldvisions.ca>, debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> 
> John Goerzen wrote:
> > > However, if slink/sparc is released with a few changes after slink/i386,
> > > there's nothing stopping the i386 people from rebuilding their packages with
> > > sparc's changes in order to catch up.  We just call that Debian 2.1r2, and
> > > sparc never made a 2.1r1 release.  If I'm an admin concerned with
> > > consistency, I stayed with hamm until all my required arches were stable.
> >
> > This logic only works if you happen to use FTP.
> 
> How so?
> 
> When debian 2.1r1 is released, new source and binary cd's would be made.
> 
> --
> see shy jo
> 
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> 
> Subject: Re: libpng & gnome & slink
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:44:03 +0100 (CET)
> From: Vincent Renardias <vincent@ldsol.com>
> To: Andreas Tille <tille@physik.uni-halle.de>
> CC: Brian Almeida <bma@debian.org>, matt.nottingham@virgin.net,
>      Debian Devel ML <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
> 
> On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Andreas Tille wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Brian Almeida wrote:
> >
> > > Because the Imlib maintainer (me) has a permanent hold on those packages
> > > in dselect >:)
> > Me too!!
> >
> > > Yes. I second this.  RedHat and others have already moved back. Let's not
> > > break all imlib and gnome apps :p
> > Don't let all users set hold on the older versions and downgrade to
> > a working version!
> 
> I've uploaded in my account on master (~vincent) a new version of libpng2
> that doesn't seem to have the bug, and fools Imlib's configuration
> pretending it's libpng-1.0.1.
> Can you try to see if it fixes your problem?
> 
>         Cordialement,
> 
> --
> - Vincent RENARDIAS  vincent@{{ldsol,pipo}.com,{debian,openhardware}.org} -
> - Debian/GNU Linux:   http://www.openhardware.org    Logiciels du soleil: -
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> 
> Subject: Re: libpng & gnome & slink
> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 17:17:27 -0500 (EST)
> From: Shaleh <shaleh@livenet.net>
> To: Vincent Renardias <vincent@ldsol.com>
> CC: Debian Devel ML <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>,
>      Debian Devel ML <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>,
>      Brian Almeida <bma@debian.org>
> 
> > I've uploaded in my account on master (~vincent) a new version of libpng2
> > that doesn't seem to have the bug, and fools Imlib's configuration
> > pretending it's libpng-1.0.1.
> > Can you try to see if it fixes your problem?
> >
> >       Cordialement,
> >
> 
> I have installed this version from your directory.  SUCCESS!  No more weird
> lines in the background.  Eterm seems happy with it.  Any GNOME or E users care
> to respond?
> 
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> 
> Subject: Re: libpng & gnome & slink
> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:31:58 +0100 (CET)
> From: Vincent Renardias <vincent@ldsol.com>
> To: Shaleh <shaleh@livenet.net>
> CC: Debian Devel ML <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
> 
> On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Shaleh wrote:
> 
> > > I've uploaded in my account on master (~vincent) a new version of libpng2
> > > that doesn't seem to have the bug, and fools Imlib's configuration
> > > pretending it's libpng-1.0.1.
> > > Can you try to see if it fixes your problem?
> > >
> > >       Cordialement,
> > >
> >
> > I have installed this version from your directory.  SUCCESS!  No more weird
> > lines in the background.  Eterm seems happy with it.  Any GNOME or E users care
> > to respond?
> 
> Ok, next "problem":
> 
> Some PNG images, for example
> /var/www/usr/lib/latex2html/icons/up_motif_gr.png <Insert here comment
> about the inapropriate location of this file installed by latex2html> are
> displayed _correctly_ with xv, while it is _not_ with ee.
> So, there still may be a bug in ee or Imlib.
> 
>         Cordialement,
> 
> --
> - Vincent RENARDIAS  vincent@{{ldsol,pipo}.com,{debian,openhardware}.org} -
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> 
> Subject: Overall Unmet dependencies
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:39:52 -0700 (MST)
> From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ualberta.ca>
> To: Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
> CC: debian-testing@lists.debian.org
> 
> I was bored so here is an interesting report for you all. The packages
> listed here CANNOT be installed but are included in slink, they should
> probably be removed or fixed ASAP.
> 
> Wakko{jgg}~/work/apt/apt-pkg#apt-cache unmet -i
> Package apache-common version 1.3.0+1.19-1 has an unmet dep:
>  Depends: libssl08
> Package doom-musserver version 1.0-7 has an unmet dep:
>  Depends: doom (>= 1.10-11)
> Package afbackup-i version 3.1beta1-1 has an unmet dep:
>  Depends: libssl08
> Package afbackup-client-i version 3.1beta1-1 has an unmet dep:
>  Depends: libssl08
> Package vrwave version 0.9-1 has an unmet dep:
>  Depends: mesag2 (>= 2.6)
> Package metro-motif-aout version 2.0-2 has an unmet dep:
>  Depends: xcompat (>= 3.1.2-4)
> Package ktop version 0.9.7-3 has an unmet dep:
>  Depends: kdebase
>  Depends: kdelibs0g-dev
>  Depends: kdelibs0g (>= 2:980710)
> Package libfltk-dev version 0.99-1.1 has an unmet dep:
>  Depends: libstdc++2.8-dev (>= 2.90.26-1)
> Package qtscape version 5.0.19980408-1 has an unmet dep:
>  Depends: qt1-snapshot (>= 1.39.19980414-1)
> Package pppload version 1.0-6 has an unmet dep:
>  Depends: qt1g (>= 1.42-1)
> Package ssltelnet version 0.11.2-1 has an unmet dep:
>  Depends: libssl08
> 
> Jason
> 
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> 
> Subject: RE: list archiving software
> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:46:51 -0800 (PST)
> From: Darren Benham <gecko@benham.net>
> To: Wichert Akkerman <wichert@cs.leidenuniv.nl>
> CC: Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
> 
> Basicly, the list archives are maintained by Guy.  You'd have to check with him
> or it'd be hijacking...
> 
> On 06-Jan-99 Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> >
> > I've been getting email from people complaining that they cannot read
> > anything I send the the mailinglist in the archives, since they cannot
> > handle the PGP/MIME encoding that mutt uses.
> >
> > Is there anyone who can fix this? If nobody steps forward I'll give it a
> > shot myself, but I have no idea what kind of archiving software we use.
> >
> > Also, if we fix the archiving scripts, does that mean that we can use
> > that for older mail as well?
> >
> 
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> Subject: Re: Overall Unmet dependencies
> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:45:09 +0100 (CET)
> From: Vincent Renardias <vincent@ldsol.com>
> To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ualberta.ca>
> CC: Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>,
>      debian-testing@lists.debian.org
> 
> On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> 
> > I was bored so here is an interesting report for you all. The packages
> > listed here CANNOT be installed but are included in slink, they should
> > probably be removed or fixed ASAP.
> 
> > Package libfltk-dev version 0.99-1.1 has an unmet dep:
> >  Depends: libstdc++2.8-dev (>= 2.90.26-1)
> > Package pppload version 1.0-6 has an unmet dep:
> >  Depends: qt1g (>= 1.42-1)
> 
> I've uploaded fixed versions of those 2 yesterday.
> You can fetch them from Incoming/
> 
>         Cordialement,
> 
> --
> - Vincent RENARDIAS  vincent@{{ldsol,pipo}.com,{debian,openhardware}.org} -
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> - http://www.fr.debian.org    Open Hardware:         http://www.ldsol.com -
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> 
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> 
> Subject: Re: Overall Unmet dependencies
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:43:34 -0800
> From: Joey Hess <joey@kitenet.net>
> To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ualberta.ca>
> CC: Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>,
>      debian-testing@lists.debian.org
> 
> Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > Package doom-musserver version 1.0-7 has an unmet dep:
> >  Depends: doom (>= 1.10-11)
> 
> Should be removed. I think there's a ftp.debian.org bug on this.
> 
> --
> see shy jo
> 
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> 
> Subject: Re: Adopting dpkg-ftp
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:43:37 +0100 (CET)
> From: Yann Dirson <ydirson@mygale.org>
> To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ualberta.ca>
> CC: Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
> 
> Jason Gunthorpe writes:
>  >
>  > On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Yann Dirson wrote:
>  >
>  > > IIRC, when I checked it mainly missed error recovery for
>  > > low-reliability PPP lines - dpkg-ftp offers to try to go on dowloading
>  > > a Packages file or a .deb when an error occurs.
>  >
>  > This might make a future cut with APT.. right now it aborts the troubled
>  > file and goes on to the next one, if you run it again it will resume the
>  > troubled file transparently.
> 
> I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing.  I'm talking about
> an FTP timeout occuring while a .deb or a Packages.gz has been partly
> dowloaded.  In this case, dpkg-ftp << 1.4.9.1 just stop, and I don't
> recall that the versions of apt I have tried did much better.
> 
>  > > Maybe it also misses some of the other features I had added to
>  > > dpkg-ftp for hamm - see changelog for details.
>  >
>  > I didn't see anything.. The v3 version has support for firewall
>  > configuration which should cover the last set of features.
> 
> OK.  Here are the main features I'd like to see in apt-ftp before
> switching to it.  I would find it very nice if all of them were
> already implemented.
> 
> - timestamp check to select which Packages.gz to get
> - support for experimental-type dists (Packages.gz in ./ not in
> binary-${arch}/)
> - robustness wrt timeouts (re-parsing the DB's at start of the install
> method is slow enough on my 486/33 which has not yet been upgraded to K6/2)
> - minimization of the time when the PPP link has to be running (one of
> the worst points in dpkg-ftp 1.5.x BTW)
> - ability to differ the download of some packages selected for upgrade
> 
> Here are accessory features I had added to dpkg-ftp because others
> need them:
> 
> - emulation of MDTM (for timestamp checks) because of dummy firewalls
> rejecting it
> 
> You may also be interested in the bug reports I filed against dpkg-ftp
> 1.5.x for removal of some of these features that Klee probably did not
> thought were really features.
> 
> Regards,
> --
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> 
> Subject: Re: Adopting dpkg-ftp
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:00:49 -0700 (MST)
> From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ualberta.ca>
> To: Yann Dirson <ydirson@mygale.org>
> CC: Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
> 
> On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Yann Dirson wrote:
> 
> > Jason Gunthorpe writes:
> >  >
> >  > On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Yann Dirson wrote:
> >  >
> >  > > IIRC, when I checked it mainly missed error recovery for
> >  > > low-reliability PPP lines - dpkg-ftp offers to try to go on dowloading
> >  > > a Packages file or a .deb when an error occurs.
> >  >
> >  > This might make a future cut with APT.. right now it aborts the troubled
> >  > file and goes on to the next one, if you run it again it will resume the
> >  > troubled file transparently.
> >
> > I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing.  I'm talking about
> > an FTP timeout occuring while a .deb or a Packages.gz has been partly
> > dowloaded.  In this case, dpkg-ftp << 1.4.9.1 just stop, and I don't
> > recall that the versions of apt I have tried did much better.
> 
> That is what I was talking about as well. APT does not stop (never did)
> but it gives up on that one file, it still tries all other files that have
> been queued.
> 
> > OK.  Here are the main features I'd like to see in apt-ftp before
> > switching to it.  I would find it very nice if all of them were
> > already implemented.
> >
> > - timestamp check to select which Packages.gz to get
> > - support for experimental-type dists (Packages.gz in ./ not in
> > binary-${arch}/)
> 
> These have been supported from day 1.
> 
> > - robustness wrt timeouts (re-parsing the DB's at start of the install
> > method is slow enough on my 486/33 which has not yet been upgraded to K6/2)
> 
> Reparsing the db and preparing to download files is quick in APT [My
> 486-33 takes 7-15s with the old ver, it is below 8 with the new one], even
> faster in APTv3 and all transfers are carefully controlled with a timeout
> mechanism.
> 
> A single failed file (due to a timeout or otherwise) does not effect all
> other files that will be fetched and APTv3 supports an unlimited number of
> fallback sources that are tried should the main source fail for any
> reason.
> 
> > - minimization of the time when the PPP link has to be running (one of
> > the worst points in dpkg-ftp 1.5.x BTW)
> 
> pon;apt-get update;apt-get -dy upgrade;poff; apt-get upgrade
> 
> > - ability to differ the download of some packages selected for upgrade
> 
> It can't do this, but you can download single packages by hand with
> 'apt-get install foo'
> 
> > - emulation of MDTM (for timestamp checks) because of dummy firewalls
> > rejecting it
> 
> I don't think the current APT ftp method does this, in truth most people
> using firewalls will probably want to use http urls which don't have that
> pesky problem.
> 
> Jason
> 
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> 
> Subject: Re: list archiving software
> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:45:48 -0800 (PST)
> From: Darren Benham <gecko@benham.net>
> To: Martin Schulze <joey@tapiola.infodrom.north.de>
> CC: Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
> 
> On 06-Jan-99 Martin Schulze wrote:
> > Do you care to define "fix"?  The scripts are fine.  They extract
> > attachements into extra files (iirc) which then can be checked
> > against the given signature.
> The list archiving that we use for the WWW site show's emails signed in
> multipart as essentially empty.  The text and signature and such are lost.
> 
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> Subject: Re: Overall Unmet dependencies
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:16:26 -0800
> From: Joseph Carter <knghtbrd@debian.org>
> To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ualberta.ca>
> CC: Debian Developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>,
>      debian-testing@lists.debian.org
> 
> On Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 03:39:52PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> 
> > Package ktop version 0.9.7-3 has an unmet dep:
> >  Depends: kdebase
> >  Depends: kdelibs0g-dev
> >  Depends: kdelibs0g (>= 2:980710)
> 
> Should be removed from slink.  Leave it in potato though.
> 
> > Package libfltk-dev version 0.99-1.1 has an unmet dep:
> >  Depends: libstdc++2.8-dev (>= 2.90.26-1)
> 
> Wasn't this recompiled I thought?
> 
> > Package qtscape version 5.0.19980408-1 has an unmet dep:
> >  Depends: qt1-snapshot (>= 1.39.19980414-1)
> 
> Should be removed or recompiled.  Either way would work.
> 
> > Package pppload version 1.0-6 has an unmet dep:
> >  Depends: qt1g (>= 1.42-1)
> 
> That qt is present in potato, why is this package in slink?
> 
> --
> "Uhh, it's not what you think.."  "Oh?  Yes, how disappointing."
>                                     -- Forever Knight


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