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Re: tech proposal to make manoj somewhat happy.



Hi,
>>"Petra" == Petra, Kevin J Poorman <ewigin@SoftHome.net> writes:

 Petra> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
 Petra> On 26 Jul 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

 >> Firstly, where are the current boot floppies falling short? I
 >> just installed on a laptop (my current install test machine), and I
 >> was pleasantly surprised. Why is a complete rewrite required? Where
 >> is information not sufficinet? Which boot floppy version have you
 >> looked at? 

 Petra> I addressed where the the boot floppies are falling short in
 Petra> another e-mail. please referance that.

	I have searched, but I have found n specific points about boot
 floppies. I see generalizations: we should provide help for
 newbies. we should throw life jackets. Nive analgies. No substance.

 Petra> secondly, I'm sugesting a complete rewrite, because as far as
 Petra> I can tell, the install process has not changed in method
 Petra> since I first installed rex.

	So, you want a rewrite. You do not have detailed
 objections. You do not have a proposed new method of
 installation. You do not have a list of unsatisfactory points (just a
 general we need better help). You do not have proposed replacement
 text. 


 Petra> w96 is a 2 color 640x480 windowing system, that is small, and
 Petra> quick. w96 can be found by a simple search on the linux
 Petra> applications web page, (sounds like someone didn't do there
 Petra> homework). and as to your last question. 1: why not. 2: it's
 Petra> time for a change.


	So, the only reason you have to change is a) why not, and b)
 it time? And these are supposed to be technical reasons? What are the
 advantages over slang? Or over using dialog? Why should we changes
 (Oh, I forgot. Why not>) 

 >> 
 Petra> b: a port of apt to w96 or whatever gui chosen should be looked
 Petra> into.
 >> 
 >> What is wrong with the current approach used by APT? I think
 >> Jason has researched the GUI part of APT quite well. What does your
 >> approach have which is so much better that we are prepared to throw
 >> all the code that has been written away? 

 Petra> I never said throw it away. again your twisting my words to
 Petra> the point of completely skewing there meaning. I said a port
 Petra> should be looked into.

	Why should it be looked into? What are the advantages, in your
 opinion, that we should even try this? You have not given one single
 reason why this new fangled windowing system that most of the
 respondents here have not heard of should be our new windowing
 system. 

 Petra> the deb format consists of a ar archive of 3
 Petra> files. control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz and debian-binary. I never
 Petra> said that we use a pure tar archive. however we do use a
 Petra> tar.gz archive for the base install. I'm sujesting we look
 Petra> into other archive formats to see if a speed improvment is to
 Petra> be had. ie: a gz of a cpio archive... or whatever.

	Oh, this was just another idea you threw in without doing any
 comparison of the speeds. All right. I see. 

 
 >> We already have a logo. Captain Blue-eyes. (Not that I am
 >> averse to a contest -- but we had a contest). Do you know there was
 >> an effort ongoing for an year before the current logo was chosen? 

 Petra> what was the motive? ... none. afaik.

	Umm, motive for what? 

 Petra> Not everyone uses less, or likes less. yes man itself is great
 Petra> for quick looks, however for the beginning person, man is
 Petra> confusing, and rather hard to use, however lynx is easy to
 Petra> use, and well documented.

	man is quite well documented too, and really is an historical
 part of the OS you are now using. Why is man hard to use? I say man
 man, and there I hasve it. It uses the pager I use, and which I have
 to learn anyway. 

 Petra> lynx allows you to do a text search useing / 

	Not across multiple files, like info allows me to. the search
 capabilities of most browsers are rather simplistic. I also like the
 power of a full reg exp engine behind my searches. 

 Petra> and as our preffered doc format, we should make it standard
 Petra> that man pages be veiwable useing a html browser.

	Look into debian-doc archives; a far more impressive
 infrastructure is being discussed there.


	manoj
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