Re: RH and GNOME
On Sat, Jul 25, 1998 at 01:11:50AM -0700, Grant Bowman wrote:
> At 9:05 PM -0700 7/24/98, Petra, Kevin J Poorman wrote:
> >you aperantly jumped into the middle of this with no clear understandinf
> >of what I'm talking about. read the archives... I'm not for making debian
> >another win95, but the reason most ppl chose rh is that it has great
> >newbie suport.... why can't we... and when I say suport I mean that it's
> >easy to install and use the basic utilities of linux after installing....
> I haven't read this thread, so excuse any overlap with previous posts.
> AFAIK Kevin you have a very good point. I would like to see Debian easier
> to use as well.
> Are what you are proposing possibly consisting of
> a) better installation with good defaults and possibly
> b) a seperate install that is "start and walk away" to allow real neophytes
> to begin painlessly on a single partition or something.
It's on the TODO list of the boot-floppies package.
> c) support to allow newbies help themselves somehow (lists, web
> conferencing, whatever) and not get in the way of developers
> d) more newbie instructions included with some utilities and
> e) Newbie manual?
The debian-doc people are working on that. Of course the more help they
get the better. :-)
Many people think we have problems with "newbie" support.
There are two ways to deal with it:
a) "No problem. Debian is a distribution for veteran users".
Fine. Tell that to Linus, Alan Cox, Miguel de Icaza, ...
If Red Hat is enough for them, I guess it's not that bad for the veteran
user. And if someone is accustomed to a system, it's hard to jump to a
different one. (I know people do it sometimes, but how many people?)
b) "Ok, there's a problem. What can we do to fix it?"
That's the attitude I like, and that's why I jumped into this thread.
There are Debian developers that care about "newbie" support, ease of
use, PR, ... and work on that issues. But Debian is a huge project, and
for any subproject to succeed it needs the help of many developers.
That's why sometimes one has to tell the Debian community. "Look, I think
we have a problem here. There are people trying to fix it, but they need
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