Re: Debian Free Software (FSF) or Open Source? (was Re; non-cd...)
Hi,
>>"Steve" == Steve Lamb <morpheus@calweb.com> writes:
Steve> Obviously my attitude to those who do not differs from yours
Steve> and Manoj's by a great deal. And that is where this whole
Steve> arguement, which you found funny, stems from. The fact that
Steve> some developers can be commited to the very same ideas and
Steve> prinicples that Manoj is without having his bias and
Steve> negativity towards others. That is where the arguement came
Steve> from, Hamish.
Hoo boy, I have bias and am negative to people. Umm. Maybe. I
think I have made a commitment to an goal, and stubbronly resist
people who want to make me change.
I also do not go about calling people biased; though the
temptation often looms large. I just think that I would only listen
to plans for a major change in the published goals of the project
from someone who has at the very least made the effort to get
involved.
I really think that joining Debian is more than merely having
a signed key. It is also about ideology; anyone can get a key signed;
but is is good for the project to let just anyone in? Any project as
large and as involved as Debian requires a modicum of cooperation; if
the members are not like minded and are constantly bickering,
internecine strife shall kill the project off. (I know I shall get
into trouble for this; and I shall likely be misquoted, or quoted out
of context. Like minded does not mean there is no dissent
-- you just have to read the lists to know that. But basic ideology
has to match, and I think ratification of the letter and the
spirit of the DFSG and the DSG is of paramount importance. Any
dialog, any amount of coperation, needs an understanding and
agreement of the basics. When the belief sets are totally dovergent,
nothing can be accomplished).
Actually, people have been refused in the past, even with
signed keys. They were deemed unfit to join the project.
Steve> You willing to sign my key? I know you can't since we're
Steve> physically on different continents, but are you willing? Are
Steve> you able to grasp that concept, that someone can disagree with
Steve> you and still be a part of the project you are, still support
Steve> it?
What does signing a key have to do with the project? I signed
keys for 8 people at USENIX. All it took was two forms of ID, and a
fingerprint of their key. Are you sure you understand the concepts
behind the web of trust and the problem of distributing public keys
with assurance to whose keys they are?
manoj
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what is enough until we know what is more than enough." William Blake
Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@acm.org> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/>
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