Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)
On 3 Jun 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >>"Dale" == Dale Scheetz <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes:
> Dale> We must recognise two things:
> Dale> 1. Debian functions as a "Goal Oriented Anarchy".
> Dale> (Bruce called it "Herding Cats")
> Dale> 2. The only reason it is functional is that all the cats have the
> Dale> same goals (for the most part).
> It has gotten to the point that the cats have to have a
> process to recognize the goals. The constitution provides the
The constitution does not "provide" a process, it defines one. It is the
developers in this group, working together, who create "process". It is
primarily this mailing list that "provides" access to that process.
> Also, it is easy to define fuzzy goals:
Defining fuzzy goals is not the best way to approach this problem, so why
do you wish to waste time in this fashion?
> a) we need hamm out the door now
> b) we neeed to release more often, and on schedule
> (I like guys proposal of an updated stable pool that can be
> tested continuuls, frozen, and released fast -- since there are
> never any release critical bugs in the stable pool, the current
> delay does not occur)
> c) we need to cater to unattended installs/ replication in compute
> (Ians proposal of a question asking spec was a good
> start. Linuxconfig and COAS are also promising)
> d) We eed to get a better front end than dselect
> APT is coming along
> e) We need to do a size-required-for-installation thing
> n) make debian the best free distribution in the whole darned world
I always thought this was #1 (or 'a)' if you insist)
> There. Goals galore. If you want more goals, just ask. I can
> create goals by the minute, no problems. Are we satisfied now?
> Hardly. For goals are nothing unless they can be fleshed out. Goals
> by themselves are vapourware.
Hense the need for "discussion", a key word you seem to have forgotten.
> Since people want to discuss goals, let us get this over and
> done with. Email me goals, and I promise to have a 100 by the
Such discussions are never over ;-)
> weekend. Then maybe we can get off and try and actually *DO*
> something, like design and implementation, rather than sit around
> talking goals.
Design and implimentation follow goals, not the other way around.
A discussion requires setting goals and determining just what is necessary
from each of us to make these goals attainable.
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