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Re: Debian Bug#20445 disagree

> > > What if THEY GOT IT OFF A CD, NOT THE NET?  Yes, there are people that are
> > > going to buy CD distributions that include kernel sources, and these
> > > distributions will include 2.1.x and 2.2 when it's released.  WHAT DO WE
> > > LOSE by putting support for them in hamm?
> >
> > I think that if somebody can get the 2.2 kernel source off of CD, build
> > the kernel (hopefully as a debian package) and install it, they have the
> > knowledge and the ability to download packages from the network using
> > one of the many possibilities of dpkg, dselect, dftp, or another.
> You're still missing the point.  IT IS POSSIBLE TO INSTALL LINUX OFF CD

Please stop shouting.  It accomplishes nothing but make me wish to ignore

I understand that you don't have to have net access.  However, if you
mix and match code (Hamm and some other CD), then you have to expect
some problems.

I would rather have known problem when mixing CDs from different vendors
than to have problems within the Debian CD itself.

> > What we lose is including packages that break either during installation or
> > when run on a stock Hamm system.  Since we are shipping a "hamm" CD, I
> > believe that that CD should be as problem free as possible.  If people
> > start mixing things from different CDs, they have to realize things may
> > not work "out of the box".
> Sure, then why not remove everything that supports obscure external
> hardware?  People who have quickcams "obviously" can get their support off
> the net too.  This is about making hamm useful to as many people as
> possible.  If we label smbfsx and ncpfsx with "you need a 2.1.x series
> kernel to use this, else use <package> instead", we cater for both
> markets.

I understand this and it is a good point.  My concern is with people who
are trying to install Debian and the difficulties they encounter.  There
have been several posts lately from experienced people who tried to install
Debian and had it blow up in their faces.  Such happenings can greatly
hinder Debian's reputation and general acceptance.

What do you figure to be the number of people who will want to use these
utilities with a 2.1 kernel that do _not_ have any sort of internet
access?  Also, how likely are the current versions of these programs
to work with future versions of the unstable 2.1 kernel and the 2.2
kernel that will eventually come from it?

                                 ( bcwhite@verisim.com )

     measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe, hope like hell

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