Re: Constitution - formal proposal (v0.5)
On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Dale Scheetz writes ("Re: Constitution - formal proposal (v0.5)"):
> > Not exactly. I think that it is clear that the quorum is defined for a
> > vote requirement of N:1 as NQ.
> I think this is far from clear. Indeed, I thought that under close
> examination the quorum would be simply Q. My most recent draft (0.6)
> makes this explicit.
> > My problem is that then the paragraph goes
> > on to say that, for the proposal to pass at least NQ votes must be cast
> > for the proposal. If the total number of voters is equal to NQ then the
> > vote must be 100% of the votes cast (not N:1), or you need more votes
> > (outside the quorum) to pass the proposal. This requires either a
> > different voting ratio, or a larger voting population (larger quorum), in
> > order to pass the proposal, which is not what I would expect given the
> > definition of these quantities.
> I think this is a bug in your expectations.
> Is your complaint about the wording or the effect ? If the wording, I
> think it might be helpful for you to suggest an alternative wording
> which you think has the same effect. If the effect, I think it might
> be helpful for you to suggest an alternative effect with a couple of
The wording seems clear to me, but the effect is confusing. In effect, if
a quorum must vote in favor of a proposal for it to pass, and only a
quorum is present, this condition makes the voting requirement go from
N:1 to Q:0. That is, with only a quorum present, (a group defined to be
enough to decide by an N:1 vote) the requirement changes to unanimous!
This has the net effect of requiring that under these conditions a quorum
is not sufficient to obtain an N:1 vote. Some larger value is required
depending on how the vote goes. If the vote is N:1 then number of people
who must cast ballots is then ((N+1)/N)*Q, which for a 2:1 vote is an
increase of 50%, over Q. Thus in this case a quorum was unsufficient for a
Is that clearer?
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