Well, everybody was eager to get Elm it seems, but Donald Harper beat you all to it. :) Ok, so that leaves bc and info.... Anybody want to handle them? If only to grab the source from tempest and repackage them? On another note, for the autoreply bug in Elm, at our site we simply deleted it without bothering to see if setting it to 0755 would have fixed the hole. Anybody know if a) 0755 will fix the hole while b) it will still "Work as advertised" ?????