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Re: Concern about racism and sexism in Supertuxkart 0.9

2015-05-03 18:40 GMT+02:00 Gaudenz Steinlin <gaudenz@debian.org>:
> Vincent Lejeune <vljn.ovi@gmail.com> writes:
>> Le 3 mai 2015 01:36, "Ansgar Burchardt" <ansgar@debian.org> a écrit :
>>> Hi Vincent,
>>> your comparison with Mario Kart as a family-friendly game and just
>>> having looked a bit at the PEGI rating system[1] made me wonder:
>>>   [1] <http://www.pegi.info/en/index/id/33/>
>>> Most Super Mario and Mario Kart games seem to have a PEGI 3 and a few
>>> PEGI 7.
>>> The description for PEGI 12 includes games that "show nudity of a
>>> slightly more graphic nature" (though I have not yet found a description
>>> of what this means in more detail).
>>> So a game without Sara might be rated the same as Mario Kart,
>>> i.e. targeting users 3+ or 7+. But adding Sara might change the rating
>>> to PEGI 12 (maybe, I don't know the actual criteria), changing the
>>> target audience.
>>> Do you think the conflict might be caused by the developers not minding
>>> targeting only the 12+ group, but you (and others) prefering a game that
>>> is also suitable for the 3+/7+ group?
>>> If this is the case, maybe we could try to continue the discussion based
>>> on that and avoid the heavily loaded sexism bit? There might be options
>>> like a "12+ content" checkbox or such as a first idea along these lines.
>>> Ansgar
>> It's a good idea actually. The PEGI rating system has a rating system
>> that is adopted by several countries with different sensibilities and
>> thus is a satisfying middle ground for me.
>> Thanks for bringing this idea.
> I don't think the PEGI rating helps at all here. The issue under
> discussion here (at least as I see it) is not that the game is not
> suitable for childern below a certain age but that it spreads a "sexist
> world view".
> Just because the players are older the sexism does not go away.
> Gaudenz

And looking at the vagueness of the criteria used for "partial nudity"
I think the thread will ends up on interpretation of PEGI criteria
rather than discussing the real issue here.
Not accounting that upskirting is likely not covered by the rating.


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